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KEYNES IS DEAD; THIS IS THE LONG RUN
Evergreen Gavekal ^ | 03/15/2019 | Charles Gave

Posted on 03/18/2019 11:52:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 03/18/2019 11:52:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Moreover, the other part of his master plan—to run surpluses during good times--has been almost totally ignored by election-driven politicians (are there any other kind?).

There...fixed.

2 posted on 03/18/2019 11:55:50 AM PDT by econjack
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To: SeekAndFind

“Fear the Boom and Bust”: Keynes vs. Hayek Rap Battle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk


3 posted on 03/18/2019 11:57:31 AM PDT by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind
When interest rates reach zero...

He says this in two different places. First, as long as capital has a return greater than zero, the interest rate will not fall below it. My guess is that he was referring to the "real" rate of interest which takes into account inflation. The only time I can recall negative real interest rates was during the Carter years when the prime rate was 21%. I can't decide if this guy knows anything or is just sloppy in the way he writes it.

4 posted on 03/18/2019 12:00:35 PM PDT by econjack
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To: gattaca

Read Keynes. His writing makes no sense. You can only “understand” him and his Ism if you read his conclusions and ignore the inconsistencies and non sequiturs. His argument does not make sense linguistically. Politicians love him because he justifies control by “experts” and the pols are, of course, all experts.


5 posted on 03/18/2019 12:03:33 PM PDT by arthurus (ri777)
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To: econjack

I remember the interest rate on the house mom and pop bought in the mid 70s was like 18 percent!!

Seems like a lifetime ago.

God forbid it ever goes that high again, housing prices will plummet.


6 posted on 03/18/2019 12:04:07 PM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: SeekAndFind
John Maynard Keynes
The Man With No
Brains!

7 posted on 03/18/2019 12:04:56 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: SeekAndFind

For those who haven’t studied the riveting subject of macroeconomics since college – sarcasm, of course

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Yes it has been a while.

To make matters worse, the class met tuesdays & thursdays from 8-9:30 am

Who could ever get up that early to attend class?


8 posted on 03/18/2019 12:08:03 PM PDT by thinden
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To: dp0622

I was trying to buy a house back then, and every time I had enough to make the 20% down payment the inflation had raised the prices of housing. Very frustrating time to be sure.


9 posted on 03/18/2019 12:13:57 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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“In the long run, we are all dead.”


So stated by a bi-sexual who had no kids...he just didn’t give a damn about the long-term future, and his economic theory reflects that short-sighted attitude.


10 posted on 03/18/2019 12:15:42 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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Bkmkm


11 posted on 03/18/2019 12:18:04 PM PDT by sauropod (Yield to sin, and experience chastening and sorrow; yield to God, and experience joy and blessing.)
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God forbid it ever goes that high again, housing prices will plummet

Some say that interest rate spike periods are ideal times to buy. The rate has to peak and come down after the economy is choked off.

That is, if the powers that be aren't endorsing modern monetary theory--MMT--and printing the currency and inflation into the wild blue yonder.

12 posted on 03/18/2019 12:34:36 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine ( "It's always a party when you're eating the seed corn.")
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Only allowed because the currencies are no longer backed by specie, which allows unlimited budget deficits and unlimited trade deficits.

When those deficits have to be paid for in bullion, you can't hide the devaluation of the currency that's occurring.

In this sense Nixon - who took the US off the gold standard- is father of this current mess.

13 posted on 03/18/2019 1:12:23 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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Fight of the century: Keynes vs. hayak
14 posted on 03/18/2019 1:13:06 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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“Fear the Boom and Bust”

There is no reason to fear Boom or Bust; they are the normal function of a free enterprise capitalist economic system for free people.

Boom or bust; highs and lows; ups and downs are anticipated events in a capitalist economy with a government whose only task is to protect property rights.

15 posted on 03/18/2019 1:14:43 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: Ancesthntr

Well, it’s a valid point about economic valuation: value declines over time because of opportunity cost if nothing else. Everything we value has a time frame within which we measure it, and when the time frame is long enough, the current perceived value falls to zero.


16 posted on 03/18/2019 1:15:15 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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One response the author doesn't consider is that the pension funds simply move out of sovereign debt and into higher yielding securities.

These, of course, have higher risk, as in mortgage backed securities and corporate bonds.

Low interest rates more or less force savings to be invested on the stock exchange casinos, which is one of the reasons for which they keep climbing.

17 posted on 03/18/2019 1:20:32 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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Not true. Gold has nothing to do with it, nor does the gold standard. The Quantity Theory of Money explains it pretty simply:

M * V = P * Q

where:
M is the supply of money
V is the velocity of money (i.e., its turnover rate)
P is the price level
Q is the level of real output

The velocity of money is remarkably stable and has been for decades. Therefore, if you increase the money supply by 3.2% you need to have a corresponding increase in real output. If the change in real output is less, then prices will increase. AOC’s solution is to print more money! Can she really be that stupid? She is no econ major or Boston University needs to reevaluate it econ major.


18 posted on 03/18/2019 1:20:53 PM PDT by econjack
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My take on his work.. his equations were skewed by his desire to eliminate poverty through socialism.
His idea that a government may accrue debt because it was ‘loaning money to itself’ was the justification for FDR’s spending sprees and is the basis for the huge deficits that are still ongoing.
Kind of like the Global Warming scam.. Get some ‘expert’ in his field to say it is ok for the government to do something and a never-dying monster is created.


19 posted on 03/18/2019 1:25:22 PM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Well all of the interest would be deductible, right?

Yeah I guess you can’t go wrong because if interest rates drop the price of the property goes up and if interest rates stay high you’re deducting the interest and paying the same monthly as you would if interest rates were low and the house was 2 to 3 times more expensive


20 posted on 03/18/2019 1:36:05 PM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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