Posted on 02/16/2019 1:57:51 PM PST by markearl
Gun Control
To all those gun control folks out there, please stop trying to tell us that you don't want a ban on ALL guns. We know thats a lie. The goal has always been the complete prohibition of private ownership of firearms and everybody knows it. You can deny this, But You are either lying to yourself, or everyone else. You have been working incrementally for the last 50 years, slowly but surely passing laws and regulations that are designed to do nothing less that remove all of those DANGEROUS guns. ZIP guns, Saturday night specials, large capacity magazines, assault weapons, automatic weapons.
You have done the same thing with cigarettes, seat belts, etc... Slowly but surely you have reached your goals. And in some cases, you continue to erode the basic freedoms we all enjoy, or suffer depending on your point of view.
Lets take a moment to think about what it would take to reach that utopian goal.
1. changing the constitution - Obviously resending the 2nd amendment from the Constitution would have to be a starting point. I say a starting point because we will need to look at other, troublesome, rights later on.
What does it take to amend the Constitution?
There are 2 ways to amend the U.S. Constitution.
The first way is for both houses of Congress propose a constitutional amendment. This requires a 2/3 vote in each house. Once this happens, the proposed amendment is submitted to the states for ratification. The legislatures of 3/4 of the states must ratify the amendment, within a certain period if specified. At this point, it becomes part of the Constitution. The president has no official role in amending the Constitution (he doesn't have to sign the amendment for it to take effect, and can do nothing to defeat a constitutional amendment once it has passed). Of course, unofficially, presidents can use their political clout to influence public opinion one way or another, which can affect the chances of a constitutional amendment passing.
The second method starts with the states, and was likely included to give states a check on overreaching federal power. The legislatures of the states apply to Congress for a convention to propose amendments to the constitution. If 2/3 of the states make such applications, congress must call the convention. Once such a convention is called, and amendments are proposed, the amendment(s) must be ratified by the legislatures of 3/4 of the states. This method has never actually been used to amend the constitution, but Congress has proposed amendments in response to threats by states to call a convention, likely to retain some control over the amendment process.
Congress can also stipulate that ratification be made by state conventions, rather than legislatures. The only time this has occurred is the 21st Amendment (repealing the 18th Amendment, which was Prohibition, A ban on alcohol. Interesting comparison isn't it?). This method was used to circumvent grass roots opposition to the repeal (the primary impetus for Prohibition in the first place). State legislatures retained the ability to restrict alcohol sale within their borders.
Huzzah, huzzah, the 2nd amendment has been repealed
Eliminating the 2nd amendment doesnt outlaw firearms. In fact, specific, federal statutes would need to be enacted to ban firearm possession. This would require a return to the congress and senate. But this time, the President will need to sign the law. Or congress have enough votes to break a veto.
Now what would happen if legislation was introduced to outlaw firearms? Would ALL of the American public accept that ban? Would any politician really propose such legislation? Well obviously, the answer to that is no, Not only no but HELL NO!
But lets say a starry-eyed zealot proposes, and succeeds in passing, with a veto proof margin the outlawing of private possession of firearms.
Now What? Do you ask everybody to turn in their weapons? I am sure that a lot of law-abiding Americans will do just that. I remember when Canada went to prohibition. Because Canada had a registration requirement, they had records of who owned what weapons. The RCMP then used those records to contact each registered owner and demand an accounting of their firearms. Amazingly, particularly in the rural areas, a majority of those registered weapons had been lost. Shotguns dropped over the side while duck hunting, deer rifles accidently left leaning against trees when the hunter was dressing a kill, or taking a comfort break. It seems that a lot of Canadians were accident prone when it came to their firearms. But the only reason that the Canadian government was able to even marginally successfully preform a confiscation program was the previous required registration of all firearms.
The United States doesn't require a universal registration of firearms, BUT because of the requirement for a federal background check, I can guarantee that there is a record of those checks. Now I am sure that some folks are going to say, OH, they don't keep those records. They erase them. Yeah, Right. And I'm sure that you agree that whats on the internet can be erased too.
A Federal Government requiring a universal registration would probably trigger a 5th amendment challenge on self-incrimination. Unless it is accepted by the supreme court, as constitutional, but most likely require another constitutional challenge.
Buts lets continue on with this exercise. The federal government enacts a universal 100 percent confiscation of all firearms.
What is going to happen when the local police officer shows up at your door and demands your, now illegal, pistol, rifle, shotgun? And being the dedicated NRA member, local outlaw Militia member, or drug cartel operative, you tell him, I'm sorry Officer, we have no firearms in this house. I lost it last year when hunting. What is he to do? Does he take you at your word and move on down the street to your neighbor?
No, I don't think so. I think that what will happen is a warrantless search and confiscation of your weapon and your probable arrest will happen.
EXCEPT there is that pesky 14th amendment. Protecting you from warrantless search and seizure.
So now lets review, we have had to repeal not only the 2nd amendment (The right to bear arms), but also the 5th amendment (freedom from self-incrimination) and the 14th amendment (Warrantless search and seizure) AND as a 2 fer on the 14th, Fair compensation for confiscated property.
But lets continue on with our fantasy. ALL firearms have been outlawed and confiscated. There are NO firearms in private hands anywhere in the United States of America. OH HAPPY DAY, WE HAVE ARRIVED !!!!!!!
Wait a minute, Sorry to rain on your parade. Anybody with a half way decent machine shop can make their own firearms. Including fully automatic assault rifles. Guess what? The information and plans are on the internet, and have been for years. And even longer in that stone age equivalent, the library. During world war 2 the British sten gun was designed to built in just that manner. The idea was that French and other partisan groups would make their own weapons. The Pre-Israel Jews made thousands of these weapons in hidden basement armorys.
The recipe for gunpowder has also been around for centuries. Any high school chemistry student can brew up his own gunpowder. Or if you didn't have chemistry, again the internet and library are packed with useful information
So, now you will have to not only censor the internet and books. Eliminate chemistry and metal shop from school curriculums.
But you'll still have those pesky books, hidden away in the basement or attic.
And finally, we will need to consider the ultimate irony. We have achieved nirvana. There are no guns in the United States. And there is no way to make a gun. Peace on Earth
EXCEPT
Anytime something is in short supply and illegal, the void will be filled. Case in point, Drugs. They pour through our borders like rainfall. With no solution in sight. It is only reasonable to expect the same for firearms. What is to stop a dozen AK47's to be included in that ton of cocaine? Are we going to legalize all drugs? Will we hook our children on heroin to save them from a bullet?
I guess the solution will end up being,,,,,,
An impenetrable wall on our borders so that we can control who and what comes into our country.
Where is that lower photo from? That looks like some similar WWII photos of the Germans exterminating people in trenches.
Nice article!
Only one Constitutional amendment has ever been repealed, and that was the 18th (Prohibition) repealed by the 21st, in 1933. It was done using the second method, a Convention of the States.
Even wildly unpopular Prohibition had support in enough states to make ratification of repeal by 36 states impossible.
The 2nd Amendment is under attack in blue states with Red Flag laws that allow anyone who doesn’t like your looks to denounce you to the po-po as an armed threat to society. There has already been one death. Thousands of Red Flag warrants have been issued but there is no coverage of actual confiscations as yet.
State level gun grabbing does have the disadvantage of being watchable by states which want nothing of the sort. In my small Southern state, anyone who boasts of having a Bible in one hand and a Glock in the other, is regarded as a solid citizen.
Times are scarier now than during the Obama years. Isn’t that ironic?
It is a picture of the Nazi death squad in action. Thought it was a logical choice considering Palins comments about socialized medicine.
Without guns, what is to keep the Democratic Socialists from solving the bankruptcy of Social Security like the National Socialists of Germany solved the Jew problem. I am sure the Progressive Judges can find Euthanasia in the Constitution right next to the Abortion amendment.
Einsatzgruppen
Schutzstaffel Paramilitary Death Squads
A branch of the SS, they were traveling death squads.
Do fly commercial a lot?
My carry piece identifies as a quarter
Traveling Death Squads,,,
Strange Times.
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