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Pentagon docs reveal Army MHS plagued with problems (Sig Sauer)
guns.com ^ | Feb. 1, 2018 | Jacki Billings

Posted on 02/02/2018 5:30:01 AM PST by PROCON

Troops of the 101st Airborne Division were the first in the Army to be issued the new handgun, based on the Sig P320. (Photo: DoD)


The Army’s Modular Handgun System hasn’t all been smooth sailing, according to recently released Pentagon documents indicating persistent problems with the Sig Sauer platform.

An annual fiscal report released by the Pentagon’s Office of the Director of Operational Test and Evaluation detailed potential issues with the Sig Sauer XM17 and XM18 platforms. Among those listed were drop safety concerns, double ejections and stoppage issues with the use of certain ammunition.

Possibly the most glaring problem for the pistol platform was a drop safety deficiency discovered by Army researchers during evaluations. The report states that during drop testing of the Sig Sauer pistols, an empty primed cartridge would discharge if the striker was struck. Sig Sauer implemented an “Engineering Change Proposal” immediately after it was alerted to the drop safety issue, according to the report, eventually correcting the deficiency by tweaking the trigger group mechanism.

In a strikingly similar case, Sig Sauer underwent public scrutiny in August 2017 regarding drop safety concerns in its P320 variant — the platform the MHS is based on — after it was demonstrated that the pistol would discharge a primed cartridge when dropped or hit at a certain angle. Consumer backlash was fierce and eventually forced the company to issue a voluntary recall on the P320 platform.

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KEYWORDS: banglist; mhs; military; pentagon; sigsauer
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Glock filed a bid protest in Feb. 2017, arguing that Army Material Command did not properly evaluate the MHS proposal.

Apparently they were correct.

1 posted on 02/02/2018 5:30:01 AM PST by PROCON
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2 posted on 02/02/2018 5:30:39 AM PST by PROCON (Happy Trump Year!)
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To: big'ol_freeper

ping


3 posted on 02/02/2018 5:36:07 AM PST by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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To: PROCON

I remember that a great outpouring on FR saying there is no reason to spend money on developing a sidearm for military use, that just buy they off the shelf.

As has been shown with past “buy them off the shelf” like with SUVs, civilian use and military use are miles apart.


4 posted on 02/02/2018 5:38:03 AM PST by big'ol_freeper (Trump risked his wealth for our country. Clinton risked our country for her wealth)
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To: sauropod

Ha...the force was with us


5 posted on 02/02/2018 5:38:49 AM PST by big'ol_freeper (Trump risked his wealth for our country. Clinton risked our country for her wealth)
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To: PROCON

Striker fired handguns do not belong in the Army.


6 posted on 02/02/2018 5:38:55 AM PST by IndispensableDestiny
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To: PROCON
It is totally unacceptable to have issues like described in the article arise after a contract is awarded and guns placed in the hands of our warriors. How many years was the lead up and testing for the Sig? The stricker issue is nuts. Drop tests are supposed to be standard quality control. Here we have two Sig variants failing the test after the gun is in production.
7 posted on 02/02/2018 5:43:31 AM PST by iontheball (lLL)
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To: PROCON

If you are still using lead ball ammo, why do you need a new gun? 1911 forever! Up grade or modify it. Save a bundle.


8 posted on 02/02/2018 5:43:39 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Damn, the tag line disappeared again? Coursors!)
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To: IndispensableDestiny

Why is that?


9 posted on 02/02/2018 5:44:19 AM PST by OKSooner (Joan Rivers, RIP)
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To: PROCON

I will say this for Glock: I have 4 of them and used two at work in different calibers. I have fired many tens of K of rounds though them in total. I have NEVER had a problem with any ammo I have used. No jams, no multi feeds, FTEs or fires without using the trigger. NADA. My sole reason for not recommending them is I do not like a trigger safety.


10 posted on 02/02/2018 5:46:14 AM PST by Mouton (The MSM is a clear and present danger to the republic.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

capacity?


11 posted on 02/02/2018 5:49:32 AM PST by old-ager
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To: big'ol_freeper

The army chould issue two to
off the shelf glocks to each soldier for what it paid.


12 posted on 02/02/2018 5:51:20 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: PROCON
Consumer backlash was fierce

Oh, when? I own two Sig Sauer P320 and watched the whole issue closely, sent both in for free update. All went smooth. Never saw anyone freaking out over this. Only commentary seemed ginned up by Glock folks.

I own two Sig Sauers and two Glock. My newest Glock, a Gen4 34 MOS had a defective pin. Easily fixed, nothing perfect.

13 posted on 02/02/2018 5:51:53 AM PST by Reno89519 (Americans Are Dreamers, Too! No to Amnesty, Yes to Catch-and-Deport, and Yes to E-Verify.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I have several “off the shelf” handguns with quite a history of reliable service. starting with a black powder Colt through to my beautiful Parabelum. the comparison doesn’t float with handguns generally.


14 posted on 02/02/2018 5:54:57 AM PST by gdc61
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To: old-ager

Extended mag, drum if needed. Its not the major side arm. Maybe the side arm should be an Uzi or bring back the Broom handle Mauser? Larger magazine, yes but do you need a golf bag to carry the extra ammo? Pistols aren’t spray and pray weapons. LOL, I played enough Call of Duty and SE4 games to know that. I gave my son a video game years ago and now I find myself playing them on his new player. I’ve become of weapons expert, I can prove it, I have all the gold guns now. LOL!


15 posted on 02/02/2018 6:00:10 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Damn, the tag line disappeared again? Coursors!)
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To: PROCON

I wonder why the military complex thought it necessary to switch from the Beretta M9. Money?


16 posted on 02/02/2018 6:00:17 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Perhaps we should care less about who we may offend and care more about who we may inspire.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

What’s wrong with the M-11?


17 posted on 02/02/2018 6:00:36 AM PST by glock rocks (... so much win!)
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To: PROCON

Read later.


18 posted on 02/02/2018 6:07:08 AM PST by yarddog
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To: Mouton

I have read that a gunsmith can install an external safety on them.


19 posted on 02/02/2018 6:08:02 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: PROCON; All

Seems really dumb to me, to
- define just one “platform”
- from a single vendor
- that’s not even a US company
but what do I know?


20 posted on 02/02/2018 6:10:37 AM PST by old-ager
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