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Summarized: over the last decade we spent $468 on foreign aid, and another $1.5 trillion on military support for our allies (foreign aid by any other name).

This was pointless, because

(1) most of the money actually went to rich countries like Japan, Germany, and Israel;

(2) the money that did wind up in poor places (Africa) mostly went into the pockets of genocidal dictators like Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe, who killed/exiled 500,000 whites;

(3) there are 500,000+ homeless Americans, and 50,000 of those are veterans, who deserve the money more.

Rather simple point, but one that's not made nearly often enough.

1 posted on 01/18/2018 11:26:23 AM PST by Thalean
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To: Thalean

FOREIGN AID: Money taken from poor people in rich countries and given to rich people in poor countries.


2 posted on 01/18/2018 11:33:22 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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The important thing is bribery at this scale doesn’t work.

Trump is the first POTUS since WWII who has pointed out they take our money and then spit in our face. The money DOESN’T convince other countries to do what we want or even go along with what we want.

Close the whole pipeline down.


3 posted on 01/18/2018 11:45:03 AM PST by freedumb2003 (obozo took 8 years to try to destroy us. Trump took 1 to rebuild us. MAGA!!)
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Whats the common thread between the members in 1)? Germany, Japan, Israel? What you are calling “rich” countries.
The monies given to them were based on a need to rebuild after WW2.

The “poor nations” that you cite, the turd world s-oles have no hope. It doesn’t matter how much you throw at them, Islam is islam. It could never develop the infrastructure to CREATE meaningful, successful societies.
Until they create the infrastructure like the White of Great Britain did, they will continue to mire in their own s-ole circumstances.
That includes their number one export, their misery manifested in global terror.


4 posted on 01/18/2018 11:45:31 AM PST by himno hero (hadnuff)
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Yup... 200 billion goes overseas to third-world shit-holes EVERY YEAR, and yet Congress whines at spending 18 billion on a national security Wall.

Trump should be pounding on this EVERY DAY.

5 posted on 01/18/2018 11:52:57 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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Exactly - forcing “aid” very rarely truly HELPS those in genuine need.

I can almost see a case for limited “military” aid to strategic partners... so long as it is clear this is what it is and specifically named as such aid, not hidden in dark corners of the non-existent budget. Transparency - the enemy of despotic government entities.

But anything else supposedly labeled as “humanitarian” generally does more harm than good for the very reason you listed in (2) above - the poor it is earmarked to help almost never see a penny of it in any form - but they do see the enrichment of the hellish dictators and other leaders who are the real recipients of what ultimately is a form of bribe money.

But of course - so long as we have homeless veterans, or veterans who still can’t get the health care they desperately need in a time frame that actually helps... then we shouldn’t send a dime out of this nation in any kind of aid.

Just like we shouldn’t allow a single “guest worker” in until every able-bodied US Citizen is doing some kind of work (which brings up “benevolent” aid from the government for Americans... If you are physically able to do work - then you should be doing work if you receive a penny from taxpayers.


6 posted on 01/18/2018 12:01:24 PM PST by TheBattman (Voting for lesser evils still gets you evil...)
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But, but, but... isn't this how our corrupt ‘elites’ get foreigners to pay for their million dollar ‘speeches’? Work, retire, make ‘speeches’... go back to job?

In a saner society it's called kickbacks... and nice people DON'T DO IT.

7 posted on 01/18/2018 12:02:34 PM PST by GOPJ (The press is fed by the FBI & CIA - YOUR tax dollars at work - propping up establishment democrats.)
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Well, for one thing, the total lifetime tax payments of somewhere close to 700,000 Americans will go to one year of foreign aid.

Work your whole life for foreigners. And next year, another 700,000 American volunteers will be tapped. And so on, and so on.


8 posted on 01/18/2018 12:13:24 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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Thank you for referencing that article Thalean. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

"America Sends $200 Billion Abroad Every Year: the Case Against Foreign Aid"

FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

Unsurprisingly, the history of US Foreign Aid evidently began after the 17th Amendment was ratified, corrections, insights welcome.

US Foreign Aid History
Regardless of the constitutional power of the feds to make treaties, and regardless that there are times when foreign aid is arguably a good idea, it remains that the states have never expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds the specific power to tax and spend for foreign aid purposes. This is evidenced by the following clarification of the limits of the General Welfare Clause by Justice Joseph Story.

As mentioned in related threads, all roads of corruption in both federal and state governments lead to Congress imo, but ultimately to the ill-conceived 17th Amendment.

"Article IV, Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government [emphasis added], and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

We need to repeal 16th and 17th Amendments.

9 posted on 01/18/2018 12:17:42 PM PST by Amendment10
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Cut off ALL aid to everyone. If they fail, too bad. If they succeed on their own, then they never needed aid. Either way, we win.


13 posted on 01/18/2018 1:07:45 PM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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every seven years we should say you're on your own and not give a single penny to foreigners but put the equivalent back into the country

then again, i'm not against stopping it altogether

14 posted on 01/18/2018 4:21:27 PM PST by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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