Posted on 12/28/2017 7:33:33 AM PST by Thistooshallpass9
and it’s a bad thing if Christian & Capitalist Russia helps us in the ME ?
“flexibility” = manufacturing the global image of America as a snowflake infested lanscape requiring big strong fearless leader like Vlad Putin.
Without Obama’s instigation, Putin have had an no excuse to take Crimea.
“Yet he happily engaged in war, strife and division, both abroad and at home. Are you saying Obama was simply a puppet?”
No. I am saying the deep state machinery - CIA & State Dep mostly - had been on process for years on a regime change agenda against Assad, including funding Middle East third-party organizational support for the “Syrian opposition” and just like in Afghanistan not caring just who those third parties (Turkey, the Saudis, the Gulf States were helping inside Syria - long, long (years) before the “Arab Spring” - and just like Afghanistan it was the Islamists (the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood) who were aided much in it all. That all began and was working it’s way to an eventual public showing in Syria long before Obama was elected. He inherited it. He just didn’t stop it, nor did he do all the neocons wanted him to do FOR it.
The neocons foolishly thought Assad could be felled internally without Assad gaining survival support from Russia and Iran. Idiots - OF COURSE Assad would get all he could from Russia and Iran, and of course they would give it.
What we got was a destabilized Syria which gave ISIS the dream war theater for practice, for recruitment and for building its forces.
Yes Obama was the occupant of the White House at the time, but the whole project - regime change against Assad - was the Bush-Billary neocon project long planned.
Before we destabilized Syria, we had the security situation at that end of the Mediterranean under control. It was a maintainable situation. Attempted regime change and destabilization of Syria made a so-so situation a bad situation.
Yes, I do understand, how Obama ego-led striving for his “legacy” made a singular, stupid, march for a “deal” with the Mullahs of Tehran, which provided his admin’s excuses for all they would not do as regards Syria.
Regardless, I do not think “we” could have prevailed in the regime change agenda against Assad, at all, unless we were going to own the situation, with boots on the ground, as we did in Iraq. And under NO president from 2009 to 2016 were the American people going to go along with that. That means under all other the scenarios, the “boots on the ground” against Assad were going to be just like the boots on the ground against the Soviets in Afghanistan - dominated by Islamists. The neocons did not care when it came to Afghanistan and they did not care when it came to Syria. They continued to believe their “nation building” fantasies.
If we REALLY wanted to help keep Russia and Syria from a stronger foothold in Syria, we would have been better off making our own accommodation with him, and against the Sunni-Islamist interests that despised him (Turkey and the Saudis), where over time we could have had some influence on his government.
What the neocons did was “gift” him to Russia and Iran.
You are right. Unlike Somalia Syria was a Middle Class country with certain type of civil society who has a lot to lose. Assad clearly had popular support in 2011, more so now.
Russia understands the age old “Great Game” of power politics in a Post UN world. A reorganization is taking place in the world. Liberal ideas are being rejected and this will be replaced by a Neo-Imperialism. Places to watch, Africa and South America. Russia knows that the old (really Ancient) power projection politics is not off the table. It will be a time of war and combat-—China will implode unless it re-organizes—it needs war to unite their people. Russia will expand as well (It is now) Dangers could come when Germany starts to expand (economically at first, then militarily).
Underestimate our own - for what end? Personally, I don’t want the USA to run a global empire.
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