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The Crux of the Gay Wedding Cake Issue
IWB ^ | Mark Angelides

Posted on 12/04/2017 8:16:14 AM PST by davikkm

Once again the story about the baker who refused to bake a cake for a gay couple is in the ages of our newspapers. We are being asked to look at it as though the baker, Masterpiece Cakeshop, was asking for “the right to discriminate” (LA Times) and that their refusal is akin to a sign saying “No blacks.” But their argument is not only flawed, it is disingenuous and moral cowardice.

You see this is not about refusal of service, in fact, Masterpiece did offer the couple, David Mullins and Charlie Craig service, just not the service they asked for. Those who support the couple suing the bakery are missing a major point…Whether it is a religious objection, an ethical objection, or any other kind of objection, the creation for something should not be compelled under law.

If the bakery had refused to sell them an existing cake, then they should be shut down immediately, because this really is discrimination, but they were asking for a unique creation that was not being “offered.”

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: gay; weddingcake

1 posted on 12/04/2017 8:16:14 AM PST by davikkm
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To: davikkm

Artistry on demand is slavery, not “public accommodation.”


2 posted on 12/04/2017 8:17:28 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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No shirt, no shoes, no service.

same same...
Businesses reserve the right to discriminate on many levels. Watering down or diluting that right is probably not needed, as there are other vendors who will fill the customet needs.


3 posted on 12/04/2017 8:26:27 AM PST by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every culture has its pancakes, just as every culture has its noodle.)
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To: davikkm

The distinction is clear and obvious to everyone with a rational mind. Regrettably that rules out the majority of liberals. And they are littered throughout the court system like trash on a highway. Time to Make a America Clean Again!


4 posted on 12/04/2017 8:29:10 AM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: davikkm
The issue in a nutshell:
Whether the state has the authority to compel participation in a religious ceremony.

The specific views of the objector do not enter into it. The objector only has to prove compulsion.

5 posted on 12/04/2017 8:39:07 AM PST by Salman (I don't do Facebook, and neither should you.)
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To: davikkm
If the bakery had refused to sell them an existing cake, then they should be shut down immediately, because this really is discrimination, but they were asking for a unique creation that was not being “offered.”

The concept of "freedom" requires us to accept that people can reject business for any reason they like. It is not the business of government to enforce morality on people.

6 posted on 12/04/2017 8:40:46 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Artistry on demand is slavery, not “public accommodation.”

Compelled labor for any reason is the same foundation upon which slavery is based.

7 posted on 12/04/2017 8:41:45 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Artistry on demand is slavery, not “public accommodation.”

A cousin of the ex-wife is a working artist. At one holiday party, his wife was saying how angry people got when he started declining commissions.

Probably because he already did X number of certain city-scape scenes and he was bored, and wanted new challenges.

8 posted on 12/04/2017 8:43:12 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: davikkm

The unfair double standards.

That the Colorado Civil Rights Commission ruled in one week the homosexual baker could refuse a pro-traditional marriage message cake per their political beliefs. But the Christian baker must make the wedding cake or be sued.

That the imam can call for death of homosexuals and be patted on the head, while the Christian who says I don’t want to provide flowers for your homosexual wedding is not only sued and punished, but the state government rips away the corporate veil so that her PERSONAL property can be taken away in addition to her business. In short, extra punishment for the Christian who defies liberal orthodoxy. An unfair standard.

That Facebook can discriminate against non-PC viewpoints it doesn’t like, because it is a private business. But Christian owned businesses cannot discriminate against PC viewpoints because that’s a violation of human rights regulations liberals wrote to privilege their viewpoints and preferred so called victim groups.


9 posted on 12/04/2017 8:55:55 AM PST by tbw2
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Is it ok for muslims to refuse?


10 posted on 12/04/2017 8:57:59 AM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: DiogenesLamp
The concept of "freedom" requires us to accept that people can reject business for any reason they like. It is not the business of government to enforce morality on people.

That is why I HATE the so-called "civil rights laws"! They removed ALL of our right to association and made government to arbiter of all that is right, even for private business interactions!

SHOULD people have signs that read, "No blacks allowed."? NO! But, in a truly free America, people COULD have those signs! And in our Capitalistic society, SOCIETY would stop frequenting those racist, bigoted establishments and they would ultimately go OUT OF BUSINESS!

But, the GOPe didn't heed the warnings expressed by many of the "far-right" (of that day), who SPECIFICALLY said and worried about the over-arching ramifications of the Civil Rights Laws, as written! The never-ending, always over-reaching Federal courts keep adding more and more "civil rights" based on these laws! THESE LAWS, the 16th and the 17th Amendments are the largest FREEDOM KILLERS in our government! In my opinion!!
11 posted on 12/04/2017 8:58:25 AM PST by ExTxMarine (Diversity is tolerance; diverse points of views will not be tolerated!)
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To: dsrtsage

Yes. Enemy islamists are not to be hassled for any reason whatsoever.


12 posted on 12/04/2017 9:15:56 AM PST by onedoug
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To: davikkm

Can a printer refuse to publish Black Panther hate tracts?


13 posted on 12/04/2017 9:34:31 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Did Barack Obama denounce Communism and dictatorships when he visited Cuba as a puppet of the State?)
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To: Clutch Martin

Only lawyers reserved the right to refuse clients.


14 posted on 12/04/2017 9:36:16 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Did Barack Obama denounce Communism and dictatorships when he visited Cuba as a puppet of the State?)
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To: ExTxMarine
But, the GOPe didn't heed the warnings expressed by many of the "far-right" (of that day), who SPECIFICALLY said and worried about the over-arching ramifications of the Civil Rights Laws, as written! The never-ending, always over-reaching Federal courts keep adding more and more "civil rights" based on these laws!

You are right. Barry Goldwater warned everyone that the Civil Rights act of 1964 would lead to a great deal of abuse.

THESE LAWS, the 16th and the 17th Amendments are the largest FREEDOM KILLERS in our government! In my opinion!!

Everyone always leaves off the 14th amendment, which is in my opinion the most disastrous amendment under which we have suffered. Yes, the 16th and 17th are bad, but it is the incorporation doctrine of the 14th that is the root of much of this forced non-discrimination policy being shoved down people's throats.

15 posted on 12/04/2017 11:33:27 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

True; very true.


16 posted on 12/04/2017 12:50:56 PM PST by ExTxMarine (Diversity is tolerance; diverse points of views will not be tolerated!)
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