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Miami Herald ^ | AUGUST 01, 2017 | SANDRA DUERR

[ladyjane]

We’d have less of a need for these services if most of these women comported themselves as a helpmeet as given in Scripture. If you comport yourself in a Christian manner, you will never have relationship problems.

So they deserved it.

You must be a muslim.

[Engedi]

Really? How many Male Pastors in last 10-20 years have lost their churches due to them not comporting themselves in a Christian manner?

[Tax-chick]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3608006/posts

Just what you were talking about. Men think it’s fine, because she shows her boobs in public.

[TwelveOfTwenty]

I worked for fathers' rights and men's rights, as those efforts were going for a short while, then grew beyond them. As they were being managed, they cannot ever win.

Their main failure is that they won't address why they're failing. Simply put, most men can't think beyond their next roll in the sack, and will do nothing to sacrifice even one episode. Just look at all of the money American men spend on prostitution every year, and compare that to the amount of money they donate to MRAs. If that isn't enough to drive the point home, then I don't know what is.

Young, heterosexual men who are comfortable with morals need to be properly educated.

Instead, they're being raised to be the same whore mongers their fathers were, and to measure their self worth by how many women they've "had". Usually, this training in true manhood doesn't include a warning about what can result, nor an offer to help pay for that result.

[familyop]

I had written:
"Young, heterosexual men who are comfortable with morals need to be properly educated."

You replied:
"Instead, they're being raised to be the same whore mongers their fathers were, and to measure their self worth by how many women they've "had". Usually, this training in true manhood doesn't include a warning about what can result, nor an offer to help pay for that result."

Do you really believe that the more moral young men are raised that way? I was referring to the original morals--not the twisted contemporary morality from romanticism. There are men who were not taught to behave like dogs, just as there are women who would be amenable to avoiding pre-marital and extra-marital sex.

For each, finding the right candidates for marriage is possible. They only need to be taught to do so by those who have analytical minds and lengthy enough spans of attention to convey the information righteously and accurately.

The cohabitation/divorce regime and fatherlessness were brought to us by un-American slavers in business, academia and politics. They produce bad laws, bad policies and propaganda like the following.

Having 'white nuclear family' promotes white supremacy, says New York professor, report says
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/31/having-white-nuclear-family-promotes-white-supremacy-says-new-york-professor-report-says.html

They don't want common, working families to accumulate wealth. They want to own the world and everyone in it. By breaking families, they've been keeping much potential business competition down.

[familyop]

Do either of you two realize how much damage has been done to young minds with omissions of quantifiers? Omissions of quantifiers mislead young men and women to destroy their chances for a better future. Look up quantifiers.

I very rarely watch a movie, but here’s an uncommon one with a good thesis related to our discussion. It’s also an entertaining and well done movie. “The Painted Veil” (2006). Both women and men will enjoy it.

[Tax-chick]

Do either of you two realize how much damage has been done to young minds with omissions of quantifiers?

It's very difficult to be a success in life if you don't know the multiplication tables and can't do operations with fractions.

The movie seems mildly interesting. Maybe my library will have it.

[familyop]

I needed to run an errand and am back now. While doing so, I mentioned the use of quantifiers to a 24-year-old acquaintance who works a minimum wage service job. She said, “Okay. What’s a quantifier?”

I told her that I would give her an example. I said, “Men only want to have sex. They’re not interested in having a good marriage with one wife.” How will this statement affect the thinking of a young woman?” She replied, “Hmmm. If older people keep telling a kid that, there’s more of a chance that she’ll turn into a whore.”

Her bluntness was a little surprising. I asked, “What’s a quantifier?” She said, “Ha. I know what you’re talking about now. Too many men only want to have sex. Most of the women are the same, you know. And I didn’t like English class.”

Looks like she’ll probably do well with her life. I could have tried talking to a Millennial with a trendy, more marked up appearance or even someone older. But chances are, they would have been a little slow on the uptake and would have been uncomfortable with the topic.

[familyop]

The movie is a romance but an unusual one. It’s a chick flick but with great, exotic scenery and a big dose of adventure without a traditionally heroic character. No shoot-em-up or fisticuffs to speak of but plenty of action. I’m guessing that you’ll love it. But it’s more than that. Haven’t seen the central message of it delivered by Hollywood before.

[familyop]

Your answer about simple math is a good one, by the way, especially coming from an accountant. I had forgotten about the other side of the definition of quantifier.

[Tax-chick]

I feel all out of touch now. However, I’m the kind of person who would get into a “chick flick” about cholera.

[TwelveOfTwenty]

I understand your point about quantifiers, but let's just say I never say that men think with the little heads again without a quantifier? That won't stop the male haters from saying it, and pointing to the behavior of most men for proof.

Some men aren't like that? Some Germans didn't support Hitler either, but they suffered because of the actions or inactions of those who did.

Likewise, if a nice guy has to live with being labeled a sex fiend because his peers can't think beyond their next role in the sack, whose fault is it?

Of course, this evades the real issue I was raising, which is that men are literally paralyzed from standing up to even the most flagrant injustices, because they can't think beyond the tips of their manhood. As an example, I raised the point about fathers refusing to defend their sons against a school system that allows girls to hit them or kick them in the nuts for no reason, both crimes BTW. Nothing is ever done to stop a girl from assaulting a boy, but let the boy try to fight back, and he'll have every teacher pulling him away and telling him never to hit a girl. When his father finds out, he usually sides with the school, and in effect with the girl that assaulted his own son.

Whose fault is it that boys have to grow up with that? The men who through their action or inaction allow this to happen, or me for not using quantifiers?

[familyop]

"Likewise, if a nice guy has to live with being labeled a sex fiend because his peers can't think beyond their next role in the sack, whose fault is it?"

Let's try more logical and honest language. The good man is labeled as a sex fiend, because he has been libeled by a sweeping generalization--not because of what other men do.

My point was that women who are taught with such sweeping generalizations will assume that "men" (i.e., all men) are doing it, so she may as well do it, too. It harms the women who are taught such nonsense. That's been going on too much since at least the middle of the 1970s.

I know that from experience, because I was the new young man in a rural area of the Bible Belt back then during our senior year. In that locale, Candypants was a derogatory name used by young women to describe a young man who wouldn't put out on demand on the first date.

Many women have been just as guilty as many men of trying out too many brands of merchandise both before and after marrying. Evil men like that. Good men shouldn't. During the '90s, I worked in large office pools where single women in their twenties without hysterectomies were in the minority. Before that, during the '80s, at least one university in a largely Catholic college town was rife with VD cases (more than 50%).

Look around us, at so many tattoos and drug addictions. Drugs and alcohol are commonly used to lower inhibitions. People are suffering from the feminism and romanticism pushed by our academic, business and political leaders in laws and policies for generations.

How Aging Hippies’ Attacks on Families Created Entitled Younger Generations
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3608165/posts

The post above this thread is about victims of domestic violence escaping that violence, as they should. My comments are about preventing much of the violence from happening before seeing anyone of the opposite sex. By the way, rather large numbers of women are also arrested for domestic violence in at least most jurisdictions. The whole family pays for it in each case with both money and hardships.

Don't do drugs. Don't get drunk. If your husband or wife is trying to manipulate you to fight, leave with a kind word and go for a walk. Calm down. Learn to control yourself and avoid being controlled.

But better, yet, much earlier on, make your choice of husband or wife very patiently and wisely. Avoid anyone you're infatuated with. Find someone who is comfortable to be with and who agrees with your plans. Have enough patience to take a long time to confirm it, because many would lie to have sex or marry sooner and get you attached. In short, avoid the common psychopath--man or woman.

[familyop]

"Some men aren't like that? Some Germans didn't support Hitler either, but they suffered because of the actions or inactions of those who did.

Likewise, if a nice guy has to live with being labeled a sex fiend because his peers can't think beyond their next role in the sack, whose fault is it?"

Radical feminist projection aside, look at the advice that I give to men despite having been fired and cheated for giving that advice over the years (articles, help with research, etc.). My advice doesn't stop the Henry Beechers from promoting adultery or their male fans from pursuing it, either.

But it is helpful to young men and women who want to avoid the losses suffered by so many others before them. It's not right to push them into slavery with the prevailing dirty dog philosophy or its feminist lies. Most families that separate because of their poor choices and lack of understanding tend to be economically poorer and poorer in other ways.

I'm not trying to help the intentionally dirty dogs. I'm teaching others to clear the way to rise to compete against them and shut them up for good and all. The states have the right to make laws (e.g., anti-sodomy laws).

[familyop]

On your other topic, bullies and pests of both sexes failed to receive scary, scornful scoldings and appropriate punishments for initiating trouble against others in their early childhoods. Schools allow all kinds of bullies to run amok, because many teachers were lacking proper parents. We won’t be trying to correct such brats, teachers or school administrations, but we can either suggest better private schools or encourage homeschooling.

Fathers who side with injustice are often the same men who will do wrongful things for their bosses or neighbors to cheat coworkers or other neighbors. They also often try to teach their children to try to get away with wrongdoings by teaching the methods of psychopaths (manipulations). People should avoid telling personal things about themselves to the wives of such men. Other men should avoid allowing such men to be in private circumstances with their wives.

Such evil men are the same kind who so commonly preached in churches in recent decades to say that only men commit adultery and that only men get drunk and commit violent crimes against their families. Pandering, and to what? Too many misleading metaphors, no law and the incessant pushing to absolutely, unconditionally forgive and forever subject themselves to their greedy tyrants. Their families are fractured and scattered. They are enslaved. That has moved many for a long time to reassess the religion by researching the history of it.

A few try to avoid repeating their past errors and the philosophical errors of their parents and others before them.

[Tax-chick]

Bfl. Not ready to sort this out until morning!

[familyop]

Please forgive me for writing, “Radical feminist projection aside,...” I am only beginning to learn to avoid being so presumptuous and impulsive when seeing a familiar kind of argument and to be more diplomatic after having lived in a less polite part of our country for too long.

[Tax-chick]

I see the points you’re both making, I think. I think I’m more in agreement with TwelveofTwenty’s contention that there are not sufficient men interested in promoting virtue to make a difference institutionally (as opposed to individually). His point about men’s indifference to female-on-male domestic violence is very solid.

[TwelveOfTwenty]

On your other topic, bullies and pests of both sexes failed to receive scary, scornful scoldings and appropriate punishments for initiating trouble against others in their early childhoods. Schools allow all kinds of bullies to run amok, because many teachers were lacking proper parents.

I agree the schools have fallen short when it comes to bullying in general, but it's different when it female on male. Teachers and administrators deliberately allow it, and refuse to allow the boys to protect themselves. Fathers, for their part, have supported this, or by their silence have allowed it.

Let me ask you point blank. How many fathers do you know of who have taken it upon themselves to defend their sons against this?

Such evil men are the same kind who so commonly preached in churches in recent decades to say that only men commit adultery and that only men get drunk and commit violent crimes against their families.

I'm not making that point. Just the opposite sort of, my point is that men in general refuse to stand up to this. There are a few exceptions, but they get little if any support.

Radical feminist projection aside, look at the advice that I give to men despite having been fired and cheated for giving that advice over the years (articles, help with research, etc.). My advice doesn't stop the Henry Beechers from promoting adultery or their male fans from pursuing it, either.

Does your advise including taking some of the billions that American men spend on prostitution every year, and sending it to the MRAs who are fighting these injustices?

That isn't radical feminist projection. That is reality.

The good man is labeled as a sex fiend, because he has been libeled by a sweeping generalization--not because of what other men do.

You're right, but that isn't realistic. If men as a group are going to pay billions a year in prostitution, with no regard for the fact that they are financially supporting abusive pimps and the sex slave trade (not to mention what else happens in Asia), all so they can have a warm wet spot to stick it into, it's going to be difficult difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff. That's not right or fair, but that's how it is.

Many women have been just as guilty as many men of trying out too many brands of merchandise both before and after marrying.

This is a nonstarter as far as my point goes. My point is that men either refuse to fight back against the injustices thrown at them, or in many cases support it when it happens to other men. We all know why.

So you want to respond by saying that there are also some women also who like to screw around? That doesn't stop women in general from fighting for their equal rights when they have to.

[familyop]

"Does your advise including taking some of the billions that American men spend on prostitution every year, and sending it to the MRAs who are fighting these injustices? That isn't radical feminist projection. That is reality...If men as a group are going to pay billions a year in prostitution,..."

I'm sorry, but I don't have enough of the specific kind of education or experience to help you with that. There are others who may be able to help, though. Hope that all goes well for you.