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To: COUNTrecount

I haven’t heard simultaneous gunfire.


2 posted on 10/05/2017 7:40:22 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: laplata

Two shooters or Paddock from two different firing positions in his suite? Initial reports in an emergency are often wrong.


4 posted on 10/05/2017 7:45:02 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Whig Party died when it fled the great fight of its century. Ditto for the Republicans now.)
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To: laplata

I have listened to numerous videos repeatedly. What I have heard could be explained by echoes, and one guy using 2 different kinds/calibers of weapons while shooting out of two vantage points that each faced (slightly) different directions.

But, if someone told me there was a second shooter at a different location, I would not be surprised at all. There are instances in the audio that, while they could be one person as described above, they could also be two different shooters.

I’m not surprised that, listening to it all happening live, in the fog and chaos of it all, even some LEO might have thought there was more than one shooter.


7 posted on 10/05/2017 7:49:06 AM PDT by caligatrux (Rage, rage against the dying of the light.)
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To: laplata

Me either.

There should be enough video clips with audio to be able to assemble a complete sound track of the 10 minutes of gunfire and determine if there was ever more than one gun at a time.


16 posted on 10/05/2017 7:53:45 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: laplata

I have not heard simultaneous fire either.

The Sheriff saying last night that this could not be done without help...I disagree. He may have had help, but this could certainly have been pulled off solo. Question remains “why?”

For this to have been planned out so far in advance, some are saying years, but most evidence presented so far says many months, he must have had an agenda.

Initial reports said he started buying up guns a year ago. Last night the sheriff implied he was arming up for 20 years. That’s an inconsistent statement so I’d like to see the purchase records, since all the guns were legally acquired according to reports. Coincidently, it was about a year ago that Trump was elected...


27 posted on 10/05/2017 8:00:42 AM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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To: laplata
Look at the shape of the building and the difference between how the sound from each would travel. From one window, the sound is basically magnified by the shape of the building and from the other the sound is spread over a much wider area with regard to the place where most of the sound was recorded.

Shots fired from the two windows are bound to sound quite a bit different when heard from down near the target area. From the window "inside" the shape of the building there may be echos depending on how far from the shots you are when you record the sound.

I agree, I haven't heard simultaneous gunfire although I can tell enough difference in the firing sounds to figure one weapon he used was a .308 and the other a 5.56mm. Maybe he used the .308 at one window and the 5.56 at the other, something like that, but there seems to be a difference in the ROF between a couple of bursts as well. Maybe different bump fire attachments or something like that.

The fact that security guards were at his door after twelve minutes, and that includes having gone to the 31st floor first then finding out that the shooting was one floor above them, shows that whatever the fire sounded like outside the building the security people inside knew there was a single point of origin within the building pretty quick.

A shooter in another building or somewhere closer the target area? Hard to say at this point but I haven't seen any evidence from anywhere other than inside the hotel. No crowds pointing elsewhere, no empty cases found somewhere else, etc., only witnesses who could easily have heard an echo or taken the difference in the sound of one type of weapon from another as being two different shooters in different places.

The NVPD seems to be doing a very careful job although the FBI sticking their mitts in doesn't bode well for the NVPD doing a careful investigation as opposed to rushing straight to the "preferred" conclusion.

Once there was no more firing, it makes sense that they'd take their time going in since with cameras present there was a chance the guy had explosives he could trigger, set booby traps, etc. They also weren't sure how many people were in the room although the hotel would have let them know there was only on person listed as the current occupant.

The NVPD is playing things close to the chest for good reason given the fact that there are hundreds of witnesses to interview and an orgy of evidence that they're working their way through.

Whether or not there was ever a second shooter in the room or not will show up on camera recordings the hotel has but I'm sure they'd want to run down leads without six hundred people following them around spewing theories about McDonald's being involved in a conspiracy with the shooter every time one of the investigators stops to eat a burger.

I agree with you and think there are as many people (both those on the multiple shooter end of the spectrum and on the single nut end of the spectrum) more concerned with their theory being correct than they are with the facts.

109 posted on 10/05/2017 10:17:24 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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