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Iowa Chief Justice Bans Weapons
Gun Watch ^ | 22 June, 2017 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 06/30/2017 11:58:49 AM PDT by marktwain

Iowa Chief Justice Mark Cady

On 14 April, 2017, Governor Terry Branson signed HF 517, a comprehensive law to reform Iowa's antique weapons restrictions. Part of the law was to require uniform firearm laws across the state. Local restrictions on the carry of weapons were eliminated.

On 19 June, 2017, the Chief Justice of the Iowa Supreme Court banned all weapons in county courthouses. The ban did not include peace officers on duty.

The claimed reason for the order was to institute a comprehensive and uniform statewide policy prohibiting weapons in court houses. Iowa had a mix of counties that prohibited weapons in courthouses, counties where weapons were prohibited by the chief judge in the county, and counties that did not prohibit weapons.  From radioiowa.com:
The Chief Justice of the Iowa Supreme Court issued an order today banning guns from all courthouses.

Chief Justice Mark Cady says in his order that after reviewing the policies on guns across the state he found 44 of the 99 counties prohibit weapons in courthouses, 11 prohibit them in all county building sand sixteen prohibit weapons on in areas controlled by the judicial branch. 
From the order
Accordingly, under our constitutional authority and responsibility to supervise and administer Iowa’s district courts, the supreme court now orders that all weapons are prohibited from courtrooms, court-controlled spaces, and public areas of courthouses and other justice centers occupied by the court system. This order does not affect the authority of county or city officials to determine appropriate employment policies for their employees in county and city offices located in courthouses and other justice centers. This order also does not affect the authority of peace officers to carry weapons in courthouses and justice centers while performing law enforcement duties. The chief judge of each judicial district is authorized to work with county and city officials as well as courthouse and public building security committees to develop additional policies and procedures necessary to implement this supervisory order. This order applies to the Judicial Branch Building.

Dated this 19th day of June, 2017.
 It is legal for the Chief Justice of Iowa to do this, because the Iowa courts are a separate and co-equal branch of the Iowa government, not a lower level of government such as county, town, and city governments.

A similar situation occurred in Arizona in the 1990's.  Early in the 1990's I could and did carry weapons into the county court house without any problems. I seldom carried into a court room, because I had no reason to go there.

A notorious double murder was committed in the County, and the Chief Justice banned citizens from carrying weapons in the court house. The Chief Justice was well known for his anti-Second Amendment proclivities. Metal detectors and armed guards were installed, at considerable expense.

After the trial, they were kept in place. The Chief Justice of the State Supreme Court issued a very similar order to that of the Iowa Chief Justice, except that he left the issue up to the county chief justices.

The separation of powers is an integral part of the checks and balances that keep the state and federal governments from becoming tyrannical. The difficulties that banning people from exercising Second Amendment rights in Courthouses versus court rooms can be mitigated.  Arizona requires public buildings that ban the carry of guns have facilities to "check" carried guns.

Such a system could be implemented in Iowa, if the legislature so desires.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunban; iowa; supremecourt
The courts are a separate and equal branch of government.

Iowa justices have retention elections every six years, which they often win with 2/3 of the vote or more.

1 posted on 06/30/2017 11:58:49 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

He looks like he’d be so much fun at a party.


2 posted on 06/30/2017 12:07:02 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: marktwain
which they often win with 2/3 of the vote or more

That's because nobody campaigns against them.

Usually the hard core party faithful vote for them.

If we really want to get them off our backs, a project in each state to shine a light on judges and their records should be instituted.

It happened in California in the 80's with the anti-Death Penalty judge Rose Bird and her henchmen.

They were all voted out. But it took a ton of publicity for people to understand what she was doing.

3 posted on 06/30/2017 12:07:27 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: marktwain

This is a ban against weapons in court houses except those carried by officers of the peace. That is not unreasonable at all.


4 posted on 06/30/2017 12:14:32 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

We have the same deal here in Gwinnett county. No weapons in the court house. I’m a 2nd amendment gun nut and I’m OK with it.


5 posted on 06/30/2017 12:26:33 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: AndyJackson

Court houses and public areas used by the court.


6 posted on 06/30/2017 12:27:00 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: AndyJackson

Many court houses contain multiple public offices other than courtrooms.

A ban on weapons in court rooms is more reasonable than a ban on weapons in court houses.


7 posted on 06/30/2017 12:28:40 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Jim Carrey’s grandfather?


8 posted on 06/30/2017 12:33:40 PM PDT by beelzepug (Anybody I attack may rest assured it's personal!)
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To: marktwain

I vote against all the judges every time, I figure that the Republican governor can always replace them. The only time I remember a judge getting removed was because of the gay marriage ruling.


9 posted on 06/30/2017 12:36:53 PM PDT by W0bee
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Possibly. But there’s a difference between legislators, legislating and legislating from the bench. That is not in the Justice’s Jurisdiction. I suggest he contact the assembly/senate or whatever they have to let them create laws.


10 posted on 06/30/2017 12:37:10 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: marktwain

“A notorious double murder was committed in the County, and the Chief Justice banned citizens from carrying weapons in the court house”

And had this policy been in effect before the double murder, does he think it would have been prevented? Iowa is filled with progressives, and always has been.


11 posted on 06/30/2017 12:53:40 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: Albion Wilde

What kind of party? In boys town? What a Nancy boy!


12 posted on 06/30/2017 1:28:48 PM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Oh yeah, these bans will surely stop bad guys. Right. Just another gun free zone for chumps.


13 posted on 06/30/2017 1:31:11 PM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: marktwain

Courthouses are one of the few no-weapons zones in MS.


14 posted on 06/30/2017 2:18:07 PM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Albion Wilde

“He looks like he’d be so much fun at a party.”

Would you let your kids, or grandkids be alone with him?


15 posted on 06/30/2017 3:29:34 PM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: Bonemaker

Well actually you have go go through the metal detector to get in and there are a lot of armed cops in the court house. Its not a kill zone.


16 posted on 06/30/2017 3:32:54 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: AndyJackson

I also think it is reasonable to ban guns in courthouses except for law enforcement personnel.

If everyone goes through a metal detector, it’s going to be a very safe place for everyone.


17 posted on 06/30/2017 7:48:12 PM PDT by WASCWatch
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