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Democrats are falling for fake news about Russia
VOX ^ | 5/19/17 | Zack Beauchamp

Posted on 05/19/2017 4:20:18 PM PDT by Az Joe

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To: CincyRichieRich

“How can you fall for something if you made it up?”

Great point.


21 posted on 05/20/2017 3:15:03 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Az Joe

Liberal thought is a mental pinball machine.

Accuse Stalin of foreign intervention - bing - US does it too.

Suggest illegal immigration is a ploy to swell voter rolls - bing - racism

Voter ID to combat fraud - bing - there is no fraud - bing - russian intervention - bing - hillary’s server - TILT


22 posted on 05/20/2017 4:38:17 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Az Joe

“One of the failures of the Republican Party is the way they let the birther movement metastasize — and that ultimately helped Donald Trump make it to the White House,”

Stopped reading right there. No point continuing to read an article that claims Obama was born in Hawaii, without submitting a shred of proof. We still do not know where the hell Obama was born. Obama has sealed all his records. Why? Can someone explain why?


23 posted on 05/20/2017 4:45:57 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Az Joe

The media in the USA no longer exists. The Democrat Party in the USA is in full self-destruction mode, and has nary a clue.

Folks keep your eye centered on the upcoming three special elections for three House seats. There were four, Kansas, already won by the Republicans, then Montana, Georgia & South Carolina.

If the Republicans win all three, as I suspect they will...game over for the Democrat Party!!! So....good folks of all political stripes, turn out and vote for the Republican candidates in these special elections. When that happens both the media and the Democrat Party will know they have radically overplayed their hand, and the American voters are unhappy with them!!!

My motto...political death to the Democrat Party!!!


24 posted on 05/20/2017 5:01:29 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (Defeat both the Republican (e) & Democrat (e) political parties....Forever!!!)
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To: Az Joe
The Dems rank and file are falling for it because they want to believe it.

Unfortunately a lot of the rank and file on our side is also falling for it, for no other reason than the NYT is reporting it. Never mind that their sources are "unnamed" or some document some unnamed person found.

25 posted on 05/20/2017 5:27:04 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Prayers for our country and President Trump)
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To: Flavious_Maximus
"Obama has sealed all his records. Why? Can someone explain why?"

Because he's a lying, filthy rotten, commie SOB..??

26 posted on 05/20/2017 5:32:26 AM PDT by unread (Joe McCarthy was right.......)
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To: matt04

They always accuse the opposition of exactly what they do.


27 posted on 05/20/2017 6:01:53 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Flavious_Maximus
No point continuing to read an article that claims Obama was born in Hawaii, without submitting a shred of proof

The main proof is the State of Hawaii sent a certified copy of his BC to the WH where they displayed it to two (clueless) reporters and made xerox copies for many more reporters. They scanned it and put it online for everyone to look at. But that's as far as it goes.

The rest of his records are sealed. The original BC in the files remains unseen by anyone (except Hawaiian officials).

But there are more important facts to consider. The WH staff took the BC sent from Hawaii and mucked with it in Adobe, turning it into a layered document. Thus they made it appear like it could have been altered. They did that to troll the birthers and many of the birthers lapped it up. It was not altered substantively only trivially.

What many people don't realize is that Trump is trolling them back with Russia. Russia is nothing more than a policy dispute, he is pro-Russia and the establishment is not. There isn't a shred of evidence of collusion or coordination or even much communication other than routine social meetings that the Dems also do and Flynn going to that dinner in exchange for $40k. Trump can keep this going as long as he wants to, although Muller will take a year before concluding much of anything. The media will continue to waste their time on a nothing story while Trump quietly gets the job done.

Listen to Trump's Coast Guard speech, he gave it as his personal advice to the graduates. The media is targeting him unfairly, and in response he will simply focus on getting his job done with even more determination.

28 posted on 05/20/2017 7:07:16 AM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: CincyRichieRich

I was thinking the same thing...well, duh, of course they are falling for it, they made it up in their own tortured, tiny minds.


29 posted on 05/20/2017 8:40:53 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: DIRTYSECRET

“Think of it from Russia’s standpoint. The rats stand for war.”

From Russia’s viewpoint, this has to beyond bizzaro-world. The hard Left in America have become drooling, crazed war mongers about Russia. Back in the day it was conservatives who were the “Hawks”. But at least they were reasonable Hawks...they could be talked to and negotiated with. The Democrats have become blood-eyed crazy. Of course the Russians probably understand what some Americans don’t...that everything about the Democrats is just a big lie. They are lying about hating Russia. They hate being exposed and out-of-power.


30 posted on 05/20/2017 8:54:15 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Az Joe; All
Wow...Mensch's ENTIRE "mound of evidence" that Trump colluded with Russia consists of:

(1) Trump sarcastically responding to a reporter's question: "Hey Russia, if you're listening, I hope you find Hillary Clinton's missing emails"

and

(2) The thoroughly discredited "Steele Dossier"

31 posted on 05/20/2017 9:53:48 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Az Joe
AKA the Left believes its own lies and deception.

But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 2 Tim 3:13.

32 posted on 05/20/2017 10:28:43 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Leaning Right
Bingo! No, no. The Democrats's Mediots are actively producing fake news about Russia.

Then, their voters if they can read, fall for the fake news and our pearl clutchers pass out!

33 posted on 05/20/2017 11:14:01 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (100+ days without Hilliarly/Huma as POTUS! Thanks, President Trump for this great reality!)
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To: Az Joe

President Trump has the power to declassify or disclose anything he wants.

How Government Secrets Are Declassified and Disclosed - The New ...\

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/trump-classified-secrets.html

5 days ago - But the president oversees all the agencies and can also directly ... Mr. Trump has the power to declassify or disclose anything he wants.


34 posted on 05/20/2017 11:22:40 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (100+ days without Hilliarly/Huma as POTUS! Thanks, President Trump for this great reality!)
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To: palmer

“The WH staff took the BC sent from Hawaii and mucked with it in Adobe, turning it into a layered document.”

What evidence supports that?


35 posted on 05/20/2017 12:07:55 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc
The released PDF had layers. Here's an explanation in a 2011 thread: /focus/f-chat/2712271/posts?page=17#17
36 posted on 05/20/2017 8:07:56 PM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: palmer

Yes, it had layers, but is there evidence that this was done by Obama’s staff working from a genuine BC?


37 posted on 05/20/2017 8:35:41 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc
Yes, although the "genuine" BC was a certified copy from Hawaii. There was a document sent from HI, and the document was a certified copy of Obama's BC as noted by numerous witnesses and confirmed by HI. But between that document removed from the envelope and PDF posted online any number of things could have happened. Occam's razor explanation was simple layer creation from a scan.

Alternatives are rather meager. The main one is PDF created from another person's BC with altered names, etc

PDF created from the document sent from HI is far simpler.

38 posted on 05/20/2017 9:02:37 PM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Unfortunately a lot of the rank and file on our side is also falling for it...

Says who?

39 posted on 05/20/2017 9:11:32 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Stentor

Maybe I should have put “our side” in quotes. I know no one in Freeper land is falling for it.


40 posted on 05/21/2017 4:19:50 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Prayers for our country and President Trump)
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