Posted on 05/08/2017 9:08:41 AM PDT by Sean_Anthony
Take yes for an answer
The Democrats and the liberal media are still pushing their dishonest rhetoric about what’s not in the Republicans’ American Health Care Act, and the damage it’s supposedly going to do to people. All lies! As I wrote on Sunday, pre-existing conditions are taken care of through a high-risk pool funded to the tune of $130 billion over 10 years. But the liberal media and Democrats keep pushing the lie that they are not covered.
Scare tactics 101!
I get the point ... but I don't agree with it. I don't celebrate mediocrity of outcome or, specific to the GOP-controlled Congress, medocrity of effort.
The Freedom Caucus is playing the role of Paul Revere, and we are well-advised to heed their cautions.
Freedom, once lost, may never return.
Spouting inane platitudes is not a substitute for having goals that differ from Democrats and a plan for how to achieve those goals.
Don’t let great be the enemy of good
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This works when everyone has the same goal, and cooperate when the inevitable problems pop up.
But these days, if the product is not PERFECT, any future problem becomes a point of attack.
I would like to see a bill on President Trump’s desk by the end of July that at least partially dismantles Obamacare. I would also like to see a carefully worded signing statement that Trump sees this as a first step to getting the government’s role in our medical care right, rather than a final cast-in-stone answer the way democrats saw their failed Obamacare law. Then I’d like to see republicans revisit health insurance after the 2018 election and dismantle more of Obamacare in early 2019.
The liberal media is the thug arm of the Democrat Party.
When has the GOPe ever supported anything good? Normally, they support something horrible and tell us it’s wonderful.
I agree, but this is no where near ‘good’
Who gets insurance directly from Uncle Sam?
* Everyone over 65.
* Everyone who is "poor", ($32,000 for a family in Oregon)
* Many people who spent some time in the military.
Who gets gold-plated private insurance paid for by Government?
* all government employess, in one form or another
* some government retirees
Who gets subsidized insurance from Uncle Sam?
* People making up to 4X the poverty level who use the exchanges to get health insurance
That's $96,920: ($24,230 is the poverty level for a family of 4, so 4x that is $96,920.)
This turns out to be nearly everyone in the exchanges, according to stats nearly 85 percent of people enrolled in exchange plans in 2016 received subsidies that averaged $291 per month
Who pays for all of the above?
* Workers in private industry
What benefit to we get for paying for everyone else's free/subsidized/colllectively bargained for insurance?
-- NADA. Nothing. Zilch.
So, I'm being asked to argue for the continuation of this system. I'm far from being done with my working years, so I've got a lot more time to enjoy paying for everyone else's insurance, and then enjoy paying for my own.
The amount I pay for everyone else's is already more than people in countries with dreaded "socialized medicine" pay today.
This is possibly the dumbest hill to fight for and die on - for the Conservative movement. It's really all about preserving the cat-bird seat that insurance companies live in. Under Obamacare American citizens must either pay fines or buy insurance. Wow, wish my business could force people to buy our products, under penalty of law.
So, sure Obamacare sucks. But the GOP are just walking into the same trap that the Dems walked into with Obamacare. Passing that was the high water mark for Team Donkey - they had a 60 vote fillibuster-proof majority in the Senate and a big majority in the House.
Actually ending socialized medicine in America would mean ending Medicare, Medicaid, and lots of the rest of what's listed here.
There is no constituency for that, outside of the 10 editors and 1000 readers of Reason Magazine
. So, what we are asked to do is to work hard to retain the system where we pay for everyone else, and get nothing in return except the honor of paying again for our own.
I don't see wasting any of my time arguing for Trumpcare over Obamacare. Only a RINO could think that doing away with direct subsidies but replacing them with tax-credits and $20 billion dollar "funds" to give people free shit was some sort of a win.
Trump isn't nearly as smart as I thought he was. He's stepped right into the bear-trap and it's already closed on his leg.
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to explain to you that he meant to step into that bear trap and it's all part of his plan because he's playing 3 dimensional chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
Apparently, you’d both be happier if HRC or Bernie had gotten elected, instead of Trump. That way, you’d never run out of things to grouse about impotently; while wallowing in hopeless despair. Even if Trump only manages to score a “D minus”; that result will be far better than you’d be facing under a Clinton regime. Give your head a shake & maybe you’d realize that.
Well, this is Free Republic, a discussion forum. I suppose we could try to mimic Conservative Treehouse and become a 100% Trump Supporting Cheerleading Outfit, but it would not interest me.
Ideas matter, results matter. Trump, by winning my vote and winning the Presidency merely gained the opportunity to prove he can do useful things. I plan to keep my critical distance and call them as I see them, all down the line.
That doesn't mean I would have liked Hillary.
In fact, I know I'm right about this and the GOP passing a bad health care bill will start the end of their rise and mark the beginnning of the Dems retaking the Congress and, eventually the Presidency. So my criticism is designed to help prevent this eventuality.
The DNC are *already* running commercials targeting vulnerable Congress-critters on the basis of their votes supporting Trumpcare.
Even if Trump only manages to score a “D minus”; that result will be far better than you’d be facing under a Clinton regime.
We elect GOPers who do D minus work, barely moving anything foreward. But the things they do pick are easily demonized and Team Evil uses them successfully to regain power. They then legislate with ferocious results, garnering a A minus from their partisans.
The end result is a liberal ratchet that only goes one way: more liberal.
Trump isn't draining the swamp, he's drowning in it.
Scrap ObamaCare in its entirety, pass some regulations allowing insurers the Freedom to cover pre-existing folks, and be done with it. Everything else in nonsense.
If you do then I respect that position, as it is consistent. But do you (honestly) think that there is a snowballs chance in hell of that ever happening in the USA? (Let's say short of some mega=catastrophe.)
I just don't think that is possible. We can't put the milk back in the bottle.
“Apparently, you’d both be happier if HRC or Bernie had gotten elected, instead of Trump.”
Apparently you think nobody can raise a single criticism of a Republican president. Bet you were the type that blindly slavered over everything that George Bush the First and George Bush the Second did, too, eh?
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