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Howard Dean: No, really, the First Amendment doesn’t protect hate speech
Hot Air ^ | April 24, 2017 | Allahpundit

Posted on 04/24/2017 7:29:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I grudgingly admire this dude’s willingness to go all-in on his position after having been scolded last week by half the lawyers on the Internet. If you’re out to censor your political opponents on “hate speech” grounds, you can’t let some clucking by First Amendment experts frighten you.

He mentions three cases that supposedly make Ann Coulter’s right to speak at Berkeley a “close call” which ultimately can be infringed on “safety” grounds or whatever. One is the Chaplinsky decision from 1942, in which the Supreme Court held that “fighting words” can be banned because they’re likely to lead to violence. The second is the Snyder v. Phelps decision from a few years ago, when an 8-1 Court upheld the Westboro Baptist Church’s right to picket a fallen soldier’s funeral. The third is the 2002 decision in Virginia v. Black, when the Court ruled that certain types of cross-burnings can be prohibited by the state. Here’s what happened in that case:

On May 2, 1998, respondents Richard Elliott and Jonathan O’Mara, as well as a third individual, attempted to burn a cross on the yard of James Jubilee. Jubilee, an African-American, was Elliott’s next-door neighbor in Virginia Beach, Virginia. Four months prior to the incident, Jubilee and his family had moved from California to Virginia Beach. Before the cross burning, Jubilee spoke to Elliott’s mother to inquire about shots being fired from behind the Elliott home. Elliott’s mother explained to Jubilee that her son shot firearms as a hobby, and that he used the backyard as a firing range....

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: berkeley; coulter; dean; freespeech
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1 posted on 04/24/2017 7:29:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Of course it does.

Hate speech is non-speech. And leftists are reading 1984? That’s exactly the doublespeak Orwell wrote about.

We don’t need the First Amendment for ‘safe’ ideas that don’t offend anyone. We need it for controversial ideas so that we can debate them and defeat them.

The left has lost their ability to engage in debate (because they have the losing argument) and have to resort to fascism to shut people up.


2 posted on 04/24/2017 7:31:14 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, really, Howie, you’re a half-pint douche nozzle!


3 posted on 04/24/2017 7:36:27 PM PDT by TigersEye (Make up my mind, NBC,CBS,CNN,ABC. What are the "facts" today?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People like Dean are why we need the second amendment


4 posted on 04/24/2017 7:39:01 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So Dean is still stuck on stupid and has no desire to get unstuck.


5 posted on 04/24/2017 7:40:20 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Quick scoreboard. No borders. Women can be mutilated and oppressed. No God. No free speech. Legal drugs. What a party.


6 posted on 04/24/2017 7:40:24 PM PDT by Williams (Stop tolerating the intolerant.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

and of course the left will define what hate speech is for us. and that would be any speech that disagrees with the left of course.


7 posted on 04/24/2017 7:43:44 PM PDT by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

dunno. if Hillary had been elected president, I don’t hesitate to think that we would have had Europe-like speech laws — or worse — just as soon as her SCOTUS appointment could have been seated to hear them.


8 posted on 04/24/2017 7:54:03 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m reading columns where I’m being threatened for what I believe and the columns think this is a good thing.

I’m reading columns talking about disenfranchising me because I question the liberal ethos.

I’m reading columns justifying violence against people like me.

I’m reading columns calling for litmus tests for running for student government on campus.

None of this bothers Howard Dean.

No - he’s talking about silencing speech he doesn’t like personally.

And he’s being applauded.


9 posted on 04/24/2017 7:55:33 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: JohnBrowdie

And just that was enough of a reason to pull the lever for Don Trump, no matter what you might think of him.


10 posted on 04/24/2017 7:56:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t recall it containing an exception or a definition of who gave or gives said definition.


11 posted on 04/24/2017 7:58:57 PM PDT by enduserindy (I always smile when my competition doubles down on stupid.)
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To: Tzimisce

We have tens of millions of guns and billions of rounds of ammunition. What does Governor Dean have?


12 posted on 04/24/2017 8:02:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dean has been unhinged since before he was governor. The policies he set in motion are and will destroy this state.


13 posted on 04/24/2017 8:07:07 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Congress shall make no law [...] abridging the freedom of speech".

Does it say what kind of speech? Does it say "only as long as everyone agrees with it? Howard you ignorant slut.
14 posted on 04/24/2017 8:07:40 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And so, Howard, who defines “hate speech”? You? The UN? Besides. I don’t recall that qualifier in the first amendment. These people on the left are such braying asses.


15 posted on 04/24/2017 8:12:44 PM PDT by ZULU (DUMP THAT POS PAUL RYAN!! HE KILLED OBAMACARE REPEAL AND WILL KILL TAX REFORM!!)
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To: from occupied ga

Amen to that.

These fools are pulling the tigers tail.

Eventually the tiger will turn and eat them.


16 posted on 04/24/2017 8:12:48 PM PDT by SirLurkedalot (10/10/51-7/7/16 RIP Dad, I'll be missing you until I cross over to Eternity)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Everything a liberal says is hate speech. They should be banned from speaking!


17 posted on 04/24/2017 8:14:38 PM PDT by meyer (The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Define “hate”, Mr. Dean.


18 posted on 04/24/2017 8:15:01 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Howard wants to live in the kind of world that would end up with people like him getting hanged.


19 posted on 04/24/2017 8:49:49 PM PDT by Bullish (May as well just rename Hollywood---> Hypocrite city)
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