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To: pboyington

I don’t see where it’s the war’s fault at all or the handling of the press.

Elections have consequences.


7 posted on 04/21/2017 9:44:53 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

“I don’t see where it’s the war’s fault at all or the handling of the press.”

I agree with that mostly, though I did hear people opine that Desert Storm was pushbutton and war was not like the old days. But mostly it was our decision makers in Government with no backbone.
The vaunted Dick Cheney piled on early to destroy careers after Tailhook. I think his lesbo daughter influenced him.

But number ONE cause, THE cause, was a year later when Bill Clinton was elected and He and Hillary flooded the white house and DOD with radicals on a mission. Anyone remember that comment at the first Clinton inauguration? A Clintonista was offended at a military flyby afterwards.
They were told, “Hey, those planes belong to US now”.
They meant it.


13 posted on 04/21/2017 9:57:15 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: DannyTN
There is a marvelous anecdote probably apocryphal but anyway revealing when staffers of Bill Clinton observed a flyby at the new president's inauguration. The first staffer expressed disgust at the military display. "It is is our Air Force now" reminded another staffer.

The left regards the armed forces much the way they regard the education system, as an ideal Skinner Box within which to condition subjects to their enlightened fundamental transformation. The military is a ready Skinner Box because it is a top-down organization which can impose a remarkable degree of conformity merely by issuing an order. If you want to make society accept gays, have cost free sex, elevate the status of women, or simply bestow marvelous new norms on society, the military offers an instant petri dish if you can get control of it.

No worries on the left that they will be corrupting or weakening an institution vital to national security, the left as a fundamental thesis does not believe in American national security, quite the contrary it believes that American power is an evil which should be controlled. Enervate the military and diminish America, the leftist in a stroke has achieved a win-win.

In my view, it does not matter whether the left was exposed to gory aspects of combat in Desert Storm or not, they were after all exposed to the gritty realities of combat in The Second Gulf War and it did not deter their push to exploit the military to advance their social engineering. It might have disposed the greater society to opposition to women in combat but we must never make the mistake of believing that leftists shrink from sacrificing their own useful idiots when it might advance their agenda.

It is unreasonable to expect Secretary of Defense Mattis to accomplish what the public culture has not been conditioned to accept, witness the decapitation of Bill O'Reilly or the madness at the University of Virginia. Yes, the military is a top-down organization but is unreasonable to expect it to deviate from the cultural momentum now favoring the women's movement. The battle must be won the way the left won it, by conditioning the culture through other institutions such as academia and the media. That is how they gain all their victories. Even though it appears they are imposing top-down imperatives when, for example, the Supreme Court requires the states to sanctify homosexual marriage, the reality is they had won that court case long before the court granted certiorari.

You want to save the military? Reform academia, restructure media.

Do you want to save the justice system?

Contrary to the situation beheld by the Clinton staffers, it is our military now but who owns the drivers of culture?


36 posted on 04/22/2017 2:51:54 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: DannyTN
Elections have consequences.

Yup, most of the damage was done by Zero

58 posted on 04/22/2017 6:32:27 AM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: DannyTN

‘Destroyed’ — what an overstatement.

Victory is the remedy.

Petraeus did a lot more than just muster more forces. He studied three or so of the best counter-insurgency successes in Vietnam — basically an emphasis on protecting the villagers and driving wedges by paying off insurgents to fight each other.

But the reason why it took so long to find a decent strategist is the promotion system and the training of officers. Not enough mental flexibility for one thing, something General Marshall emphasized as best he could. And too much emphasis on ‘perfect records’ as the gateway to promotion.


80 posted on 04/26/2017 8:42:11 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ever since Civil War, DNC = terrorists: KKK, black panthers; muslim refugees, BLM ...)
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