Posted on 02/07/2017 9:56:03 AM PST by Sean_Anthony
The door is closing on Palestine. They had their chance and they blew it
At a time when the leaders of Arab-controlled Ramallah continue their rejection of the Jewish State and their civil society enemy in Gaza has launched more missiles at Israel and been deprived of yet another terror cell in Hebron, they continue to refuse to sit and negotiate a permanent peace agreement. They think they can weaken and destroy Israel is stages by applying the alternative strategy of force and diplomatic pressure.
Money quote:
“On February 6, 2017, the Israel Knesset passed an historic law that legalizes our thousand homes and opens the way for Israel to claim long awaited sovereignty over a part of Judea & Samaria known as Area C which, in the signed Oslo agreement falls under the civil and security purview of Israel.
To the failing two-state diplomats allow me to inform you that there are several valid alternatives to your failed vision. But let me put it bluntly. It is way past time for diplomatic dancing. Let’s call the Palestinian spade the bloody shovel that it is. Our generosity has been rejected and perceived as weakness. It is time for Israel to reverse out of the blind alley we have been forced into by an international community unable to see they have become willing hostages to a Holocaust denier in Ramallah and a radical Islamic terror regime in Gaza.”
I think back to negotiations, I think between Clinton, Arafat and Rabin (my memory may not be correct) where the Israelis were pretty much ready to give Arafat 95% of what he wanted (in return for nothing but a promise of recognition) and Arafat turned it down because he wanted more.
The PA deserve precisely nothing.
as an aside...Arafat’s nose was out of joint because Clinton let Chelsea sit in on the talks.
Right on. Bears repeating, so I just did here:
To the failing two-state diplomats allow me to inform you that there are several valid alternatives to your failed vision. But let me put it bluntly. It is way past time for diplomatic dancing. Let’s call the Palestinian spade the bloody shovel that it is. Our generosity has been rejected and perceived as weakness. It is time for Israel to reverse out of the blind alley we have been forced into by an international community unable to see they have become willing hostages to a Holocaust denier in Ramallah and a radical Islamic terror regime in Gaza.”
Many years ago when I read about he Palestinians , I could not remember a country called Palestine.
So I decided to look up the Palestinian Constitution to see how that country was structured.
Did Palestine have a President , a Sultan, a prime minister, etc?
I could not find anything, because Palestine never existed except in the anti-Israel propaganda,which goes on to this day. -Tom
Dennis Ross always says exactly that. It was Ehud Barak for the Israelis, but otherwise just as you say and maybe more so. The Israelis also had land to trade for the handful of settlements they were not willing to abandon as they were fully operational towns by then.
The papers were drawn up and ready to be signed and Arafat left the room for one last conference with his deputies, and came back and said he wasn’t signing.
The supposition at the time was (I believe) less that “he wanted more” and more along the lines that he knew if he made the deal that he would face the same fate as Anwar Sadat, murder at the hands of Islamic radicals for making a peace deal. That last part is just my opinion, however.
But yes, the two state solution was absolutely there and they could have had their independent country and billions of cash for signing it, and they could not do it.
Well it was a territory of the Ottoman Empire, right? It wasn’t an independent country, but neither were Iraq and Syria and Lebanon etc. They were all under the Ottomans for the better part of a millenium. Palestine is from the same root as Philistine, I believe. As Samaritans were from Samaria in New Testament times
It was never a country, anymore than New England is a country.
But to hear the propaganda, these Palestinian Muslims were displaced from their country to make room for the Jews. -Tom
Palestinians are largely Jordanian arabs. The country was originally called Trans-Jordanian Palestine. It’s now Called Jordan. But you’re right that the current “Palestinian” is an artificial construct.
CC
Abba Eban nailed it in 1973: "The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."
Often misquoted as "Palestinians", but they sure fit the mould. I can't think of one decision they made that worked out in their favor. A sample of the magnitude: Those working in Kuwait rallied in support of Saddam when Kuwait was invaded and when the Kuwaitis got back in power, they kicked the whole lot out of the country and to this date, never hired any more.
It’s worse than that. They weren’t displaced, they displaced themselves. The Arab world said to the people there that they were going to invade and kill all the Jewish settlers, and that after the quick war was over, they could move back and have their old apartment back, or move into the newly vacated one of the dead Jews, suit yourself.
And then the 1948 war did not go as planned.
Well, the current SJW narrative (apart from trendy Holocaust-Denial), is that there are no actual, bona-fide ethnic Jews left in the world. Apparently they all converted to Islam during the Ottoman Caliphate, and the modern, so-called “Jews” are actually “AskeNAZI Khazars,” and, as such, are central-Asian and European invaders that have no right to a land that was never theirs.
Blah blah blah, you get the picture. However, this IS the standard narrative amongst the so-called ‘progressives’.
Jordan was supposed to be the home of the Palestinians.
They screwed that up too.
Did the give classes to the Dimocrats?
I’ve always praised Clinton in a backhanded way for the result of those negotiations. After all, he did make a full, massive good faith effort to get peace through a two state solution. His failure proved conclusively the total bad faith of the Palestinians and the absolute futility of such negotiations. Really a remarkable proof of reality, although he certainly didn’t intend it that way.
After suppressing several Jewish rebellions, the Romans used the term palestine in their name for the province covering most of Israel.
The region was incorporated in the Roman, Byzantine, Arab and Ottoman Empires.
After WWI, the British and French double-crossed the Arabs and reneged on what the Arabs thought was a promise of a unitary Arab state with Damascus as capital, which had been the capital of the Arab empire before moving to Baghdad.
Instead, they entered into the Sykes-Picot secret treaty where the region was divided up between the British and French. Apparently, they didn't think Arabia was worth enough to take.
Britain got modern day Israel, West Bank and Jordan. Since the area had not been independent and was regarded as the southern part of Syria, they invented a name and called it the Palestine Mandate, being a League of Nations Mandate.
The British who had jilted Faisal of his Damascus kingdom, gave him Iraq as a consolation prize, although it was another country they just made up. They cast about for a way to help his brother Abdullah, and came up with idea of hiving off half of Palestine, calling it Transjordan and giving it to Abdullah. That double-crossed the Jews, who had been told in the Balfour Declaration that Palestine would be a Jewish homeland only to see half of it given to the Arabs.
And the British wondered why they weren't universally loved by all who lived in the British Empire.
I don’t even think it’s necessary to go back into pre-historic tribes, or Biblical entitlements, or what happened during the diaspora.
There are these people called Jews. Everyone in Europe wanted to get rid of them. The British said, hey we have this land from the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, why don’t we give them that? Jews start moving in. Then while that’s happening over a couple of decades, the Germans decided to exterminate them. So after that was nearly completely successful the people of planet Earth then decided that the Jews had suffered enough and they told them there was a new country with their name on it and the rest of them could go there. Problem being that there were already quite a few other people living there, which gets us to the 1948 war.
Could they have been given a homeland somewhere else instead? Perhaps, but they weren’t. They were told here’s your new home, and they protected it, and worked it and made it prosperous despite being attacked endlessly, and they’re going to keep it. That’s just the way it’s going to be. They’re not leaving.
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Of course, the “Palestinians” always insist the “right of return” with any peace agreement. The “right of return” is the end of Israel.
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