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How Trump can end illegal immigration right now—without a wall (For discussion purposes)
CNBC ^ | January 26, 2017 | Steven Kopits

Posted on 01/26/2017 11:53:04 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: KittenClaws

What I’ve always been saying here and on other sites. The liberals and the MSMLSD would scream bloody murder if we did that. Fortunately we have Trump.


21 posted on 01/26/2017 12:25:23 PM PST by SkyDancer (Ambition Without Talent Is Sad, Talent Without Ambition Is Worse)
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To: KittenClaws

Seize all assets of any operation that employes them.


22 posted on 01/26/2017 12:31:28 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT! (ON HOLD starting 1/19/17))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The most basic constructive step is for the 1-9’s that employers must complete for each new hire be filed with the IRS, instead of being housed in the personnel file of the employee at the workplace. That would solve stolen SS# numbers and establish an initial residency based on the information required to complete the form. We have been filling out these forms for 30 years for thousands of employees and they have never been seen by anyone but us. I don’t think the folks in leadership want to solve the problem.


23 posted on 01/26/2017 12:32:01 PM PST by ladylee (LadyLee)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s an interesting idea but has great potential to be abused I don’t think anyone trusts the government to administer the program honestly. I envision a whole bunch of leftists organizations and “non-profits” creating phantom jobs and grandfathering in all sorts of “rights” and entitlements for migrants. Then end result will be a massive call for citizenship.


24 posted on 01/26/2017 12:33:07 PM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, this will be part of the solution.
Still need the wall and enforcement.


25 posted on 01/26/2017 12:34:25 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Damn, if I could think like a criminal, I might be retired by now!


26 posted on 01/26/2017 12:34:27 PM PST by ladylee (LadyLee)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Americans had the political will to enforce the existing laws, that would be a giant step in the right direction


27 posted on 01/26/2017 12:36:57 PM PST by SMARTY ("Nearly all men can stand adversity...to test a man's character, give him power." A. Lincoln)
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To: ladylee

There was a time when the unemployment office had to fill them out. Doubled our workload overnight.


28 posted on 01/26/2017 12:38:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: ladylee
Two things to also remember about the left:

1. The liberal mind is never satisfied.
2. The left is a burglar always looking for an unlocked window or door.
29 posted on 01/26/2017 12:40:20 PM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Hoffer Rand

That is true. These are unintended consequences of what you call “the books”, ie all the massive labor and tax regulations. The reason so many illegals in front of Home Depot can find work that pays way more than minimum wage is because it is so easy to hire them. You make a deal with them and you don’t have to worry about dealing with all the crap that you would need to if you did it “by the books”. Paying payroll taxes, sending out W2’s, record keeping, unemployment insurance, disability insurance, possible discrimination lawsuits, and on and on.

You don’t see unemployed “Americans” standing in front of Home Depot because of our too generous welfare state and culture of entitlement.

Significantly reduce welfare benefits for able bodied people and cut way back on labor and tax regulations, especially for small part time jobs and the influx of illegals would diminish significantly. Still you can’t have an open border because illegals can always undercut the americans. What it would do is reduce the incentive of americans to hire illegals in two ways.

1. it would introduce a pool of legal workers cut off from welfare
2. reduce the hassle and risks of the burdensome regulations


30 posted on 01/26/2017 12:42:06 PM PST by aquila48
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The guy's an idiot: how would this even slow down the border crossing by the illegals and drug mules?

The wall is a good choice. Deploying troops and mines an even better choice.

31 posted on 01/26/2017 12:43:17 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Deputize a few thousand citizens. After all, this IS our country.
32 posted on 01/26/2017 12:45:48 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As much as some people are loath to admit it there is also a culture/race issue here. It is not just about money or being ‘illegal’


33 posted on 01/26/2017 12:51:30 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: SkyDancer

I’ve been saying this for so long. If we do two things - (1) prohibit public funds from being spent on welfare, food stamps, education, and pretty much anything else for a person here illegally, and (2) revisit the idea of birthright citizenship to get either a ruling or an amendment that once and for all will show that citizenship is determined by one’s parentage, not by the geographic location in which the birth takes place, then they will not come here. If they do, they will not stay. A wall is not really necessary.


34 posted on 01/26/2017 12:55:18 PM PST by RightFighter (This space for rent)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trump’s been in office barely a week and he’s already preventing Mexicans from crossing the border. El Presidente won’t be coming.


35 posted on 01/26/2017 1:07:02 PM PST by LydiaLong
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If there was ANY substantiation that the level of LEGAL immigration was far too little with regard to the areas where MOST illegal immigration comes from, the CNBC writer(s) could have an argument.

However, LEGAL immigration from the places most ILLEGAL immigrants come from has over the past decade been higher than anywhere else in the world and higher historically than it has ever been. THAT fact makes mincemeat of the idea that legal immigration from those places is and has been too little, meaning the ILLEGAL immigration from there has no justification, not even in terms of the U.S. needs.

Additionally, we should end ALL programs that allow anyone to buy their way into the U.S. and/or into Green Cards.


36 posted on 01/26/2017 1:10:26 PM PST by Wuli
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To: RightFighter

Yep, come across, wander about a bit then go back. These sanctuary cities and their mayors totally PMO!


37 posted on 01/26/2017 1:28:11 PM PST by SkyDancer (Ambition Without Talent Is Sad, Talent Without Ambition Is Worse)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The way to end illegal immigration promptly has been obvious to anyone whose spent time talking to recent Mexican immigrants: END MEDICAL, SOCIAL SECURITY, FOOD STAMP FREEBIES to non-American citizens. (Then slowly phase them out for Americans, too!)

Here’s how my grandparents came to America: they landed at Ellis Island and couldn’t get into the country unless a sponsor came forth to guarantee their survival needs.

I blame none of the illegals who took advantage of the handouts America gives them. It’s our own damn fault! Stop paying their Emergency Room bills and stop forcing hospitals to treat them for FREE!


38 posted on 01/26/2017 1:35:23 PM PST by The Westerner (The real change must be in the textbooks of our nation!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Simply fine hell out of US employers hiring
illegals and the illegals will head on back home.

Next, able bodied welfare recipients would take the
jobs or suffer.


39 posted on 01/26/2017 1:59:19 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk (A Irredeemable Deplorable)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

First. End ALL handouts and welfare to illegals.

Second. Mercilessly punish those that employ illegals.

That costs ZERO dollars.


40 posted on 01/26/2017 2:04:55 PM PST by Organic Panic (Rich White Man Evicts Poor Black Family From Public Housing - MSNBCPBSCNNNYTABC)
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