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How Trump can end illegal immigration right now—without a wall (For discussion purposes)
CNBC ^ | January 26, 2017 | Steven Kopits

Posted on 01/26/2017 11:53:04 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

During his presidential campaign, Donald Trump promised not only to 'build a wall' to seal the southern U.S. border, but to make Mexico pay for it, at a cost of some $10 billion to $38 billion. Mexico on Thursday reiterated it's refusal to foot the bill.

Yet, a market-based immigration policy allowing Central Americans who passed a background check to purchase work visas at market rates (instead of paying thousands to human smugglers) could generate revenues for the federal government in excess of $40 billion, or more than enough to pay for that wall. You can read the details in an earlier article I wrote for CNBC.

But here's the best part: With a market-based visa system, President Trump could materially end illegal immigration within a month or two, even without a wall. Here's how it would work.

Illegal immigration is a variety of black market. Black markets always arise as the direct result of government policy, when governments either cap prices or restrict volumes. For example, during Super Storm Sandy, a number of East Coast governors put price caps on scarce gasoline, creating a black market within a matter of hours....

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; immigration; trump; trumpwall; visas
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1 posted on 01/26/2017 11:53:04 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

US Citizenship or Residency is not a commodity to be monetized.


2 posted on 01/26/2017 11:55:26 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Illegal immigration is a variety of black market....

What a load of horse ####.

It’s an act of war with the numbers they have spilled in at, and these people wouldn’t give a flying #### about getting visas, and why should they get so many more? Because they border us?

### em and send em back.


3 posted on 01/26/2017 11:56:59 AM PST by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

1. Employer ID (MD and CA driver’s license not permitted)
2. Anyone who skips out on a hearing is automatically excluded from consideration for no less than 10 years, and deported.


4 posted on 01/26/2017 11:57:01 AM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just deny them any help whatsoever. No benefits, no schooling, no food stamps, nothing. You sick? Here’s an aspirin. Got injured here’s a band aid. Good Bye and Have A Nice Day.


5 posted on 01/26/2017 11:57:14 AM PST by SkyDancer (Ambition Without Talent Is Sad, Talent Without Ambition Is Worse)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The wall isn’t just about the illegal invasion by Mexicans. It is about stopping the myriad of illegal acts like drug and human smuggling, and criminals that escape back south, etc.


6 posted on 01/26/2017 11:58:24 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: SkyDancer

What about the drug problem? A wall would stop that pretty darn good!


7 posted on 01/26/2017 12:01:31 PM PST by Lopeover (The 2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They are voting in our elections, going to our tax paid for schools, going to the hospital and not paying and destroying the identity of America because to many have come at one time and are not melding in and becoming American....which was the reason the dems poured them in in the numbers they have.

This was an invasion for the purpose of destroying the USA. It went along with the regulating business and taxing them to death to have them flee and bankrupt us. We have been at war with the world order from the inside of the US and we did not even realize what our leaders were doing.

They need to just go and we fix this mess we are in....then rethink how to let SOME in. Do you not find it interesting that this solution came from the MSM controlled by the world order? Leave them here and they are their army in 4 years.

8 posted on 01/26/2017 12:01:32 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

but the wall will be a great tourist attraction... i know i will go to see it...

the great grande wall...


9 posted on 01/26/2017 12:01:57 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Background checks are bought and sold on the open market. You buy a name, you get a set of background checks .. who’s to know who you really are when you come from a place in South America ..?????

If there’s no Official documentation in America .. no entry, no visa, no job, etc.

This alternative is not valid .. not at all.


10 posted on 01/26/2017 12:02:15 PM PST by CyberAnt (Peace through Strength)
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To: Salvavida
Anyone who skips out on a hearing is automatically excluded from consideration for I/i>no less than 10 years life, and deported.

Fixed it.

11 posted on 01/26/2017 12:04:15 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The guy’s an idiot. People who hire illegals do so, not because there “isn’t anybody else to do the work” but because there isn’t anybody to do the work at the artificially low wage being paid (and off the books). This is the problem with any form of amnesty or worker visa program. Those who are cheating the system aren’t suddenly going to wake up and stop cheating the system. They are going to find another way to cheat the new system. They aren’t cheating the system because there is no other way, but because it’s profitable, and there are no consequences. Legalize the 11-40 million illegals currently working off the books, and their employers fire them and find new illegals willing to work off the books. All we’ve done is created a whole new class of unemployed people. Start a worker visa program, and the employer who wants to pay off the books just doesn’t advertise jobs through it. Hires illegals who don’t want to pay for the visa. Doesn’t solve a thing.

Ask Colorado how legalizing marijuana impacted the sale of black market marijuana in the state.


12 posted on 01/26/2017 12:08:05 PM PST by Hoffer Rand (God be greater than the worries in my life, be stronger than the weakness in my mind, be magnified.)
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To: Hoffer Rand

Good post.


13 posted on 01/26/2017 12:13:21 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

1.Continue to depress the job market for American citizens.
2.Background checks are bunk. Fails far too often to be of any real value in screening such a horde of people.
3. No. Just... no.

Crush the problem. Crush all those who’ve forced this problem onto us. Crush all those who make excuses for this problem. Crush all those who propagandize in support of this problem.

No Mercy.


14 posted on 01/26/2017 12:13:51 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Ouderkirk

Unrealistic. I’ve worked in embassies before. Marry or father a US child, and it is almost automatic. This would tax them for at least 10 years. That ends the fixed marriages too.


15 posted on 01/26/2017 12:14:20 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Grimmy

You know at some point a few globalists will have to be burned at the stake to get the message across.


16 posted on 01/26/2017 12:15:50 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Take over mexico, down to the tropic of cancer. Build the wall there. Make it the new American south. All of the illegals still go back to what is left of mexico. Maybe Guatemala will take them in as refugees.


17 posted on 01/26/2017 12:19:30 PM PST by factoryrat (We reserve the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: SkyDancer
Just deny them any help whatsoever. No benefits, no schooling, no food stamps, nothing. You sick? Here’s an aspirin. Got injured here’s a band aid. Good Bye and Have A Nice Day.
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I can't understand why this simple solution is not considered. Remove ALL taxpayer funded freebies and many would self-deport.

Has any politician ever mentioned this?

18 posted on 01/26/2017 12:19:31 PM PST by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: Lopeover

Tunnels.


19 posted on 01/26/2017 12:24:13 PM PST by SkyDancer (Ambition Without Talent Is Sad, Talent Without Ambition Is Worse)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No.
We need to stop immigration from poor backwards countries.
They are a net drain on the country.
Immigration should benefit the United States and its citizens or we should stop it entirely.

ALL illegal aliens MUST commit multiple crimes DAILY to continue their illegal presence here.
Document fraud and illegal employment are the tip of the iceberg.

We should not give them the opportunity to harm or kill Americans before being deported.

We need strong enforcement and ALL illegal aliens deported, not just those convicted of crimes here.


20 posted on 01/26/2017 12:24:22 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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