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To: WMarshal

Levin has lost his moorings. I think that Russia is a natural ally against the Chinese who are beginning to have global ambitions. I also think that Russia will be a great ally in delivering a beat-down the islamofascists.


You’re having a day dream. One party state fascist Russia has no interest in being an ally of the United States. Death to America Iran is their BFF. Buy a clue, FRiend.


11 posted on 12/17/2016 9:02:45 AM PST by lodi90
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To: lodi90
“You’re having a day dream. One party state fascist Russia has no interest in being an ally of the United States. Death to America Iran is their BFF. Buy a clue, FRiend.”

I believe that you and far too many Americans are locked into the Cold War mindset. When you look at the things China's been doing, their huge population pressures, their economic expansion, their desire for more territory, then you have to know that Russia is not feeling very secure with empty, resource-rich Siberia sitting on top of those crazy people.

Russia needs us more than we need them and would make a great ally.

21 posted on 12/17/2016 9:18:41 AM PST by WMarshal ( Schadenfreude, it feels so good!)
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To: lodi90

I think Russia would rather have an ally in the United States someday rather than Iran. What is it that Russian mobsters and ruling class like most all? Money. Who has more of it the US or Iran? People also need to realize that Donald Trump is extremely popular with the Russian people. Putin is very much a populist who cares about popular opinion.


22 posted on 12/17/2016 9:19:01 AM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: lodi90
One party state fascist Russia has no interest in being an ally of the United States.

Who says we got to be their ally? We can work with Russia on areas we both have in common. But why antagonize them? Death to America Iran is their BFF.

They're about as much as a BFF to Russia as Saudi Arabia is to us.

39 posted on 12/17/2016 10:03:21 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Democracy is the backup QB to a dictatorship)
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To: lodi90

“One party state fascist Russia has no interest in being an ally of the United States. Death to America Iran is their BFF. Buy a clue, FRiend.”

We are diplomatically “pragmatic” with most countries in the world without pristine democratic leadership. If we held every country to the same standard as Russia, we would have, maybe, a dozen or so allies.

Putin is a bad guy, he has done bad things and is a political strongman. He also can be helpful in some areas of mutual interest. He can also be a pain in the ass.

This obsession with demonizing Russia is idiotic. You and Levin both buy into (for Russia only) the “Putin is a thug” line which is fine, however there is a necessary follow on unless you wish to rekindle the cold war, and that is ALWAYS missing from arguments like yours.

The real reason why Russia is talked about as they are today is that we know they can take criticism from US politicians and not fly off the handle (like China always does) and there is the government-as-victim types like you and Hillary who just want to stick a thumb in the eye of the upcoming administration.

Putin will be treated with the realpolitic of today’s real world. So will China, even North Korea. It’s just the way it is in the real world.

That’s where Levin and you and Obama and Hillary and the Media all agree. You simply hate Trump because his ascendancy is both democratic and “unpresidented”. You just hate him. You’ll reluctantly acknowledge (as Levin does) that there are good things to come, but you bitch incessantly if Trump says anything about working with Putin or Russia, because “putin is a thug”

Thuggery has never been a criteria for not working with anyone in world before. Why now?

Your position of “Russia isn’t out friend” is a Bullshit pat statement (like the sky is blue) that you think awards you the moral high ground. Nonsense. Indeed buy a clue and grow up.

Criticize at will, but don’t think it makes you right or smart or insulates yout from criticism. It makes you a pupil of Mark Levin who is lost in the wilderness because someone got elected that he didn’t like.

Wake up.


43 posted on 12/17/2016 10:18:49 AM PST by RFEngineer
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