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The LA Times: National Reciprocity is Bad...
Gun Watch ^ | 7 December, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/12/2016 3:41:57 AM PST by marktwain


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In an opinion piece at the Los Angeles Times, the Times writes that national reciprocity for concealed carry permits would be bad. 

The editorial is from the editorial board, so it reflects the Times official policy desires. 

The problem is that the Times cannot come up with any good reason for their opinion, other than the big bad federal government should not force poor little California to do something the California government (largely controlled by the LA Times and other "progressive" media") does not want them to do.

In this case, that something is to respect the Second Amendment even in a partial, half hearted way.  From  the editorial a latimes.com:
The reciprocity movement is nothing more than an effort to drive states’ concealed-carry laws to the lowest common denominator. Consider Utah, for instance. To qualify for a Utah permit, which is available to nonresidents and is already accepted by 36 other states, one need only be 21 years old, not be deemed ineligible under federal laws (no felony conviction or history of drug and alcohol abuse, for instance) and complete a Utah-certified Weapons Familiarity course, which can be taken outside the state. In fact, Utah has certified 169 instructors in California alone. Utah’s limited restrictions have made the issuance of concealed-carry permits something of a cottage industry for the state. Two-thirds of Utah’s 632,276 permits as of the end of last year were in the hands of nonresidents.

By comparison, California — with 33 times Utah’s population — has only 79,834 active concealed-carry permits, according to the state attorney general’s office. Among other things, California has a more stringent training regimen and requires a person seeking a permit to show good-cause for needing to carry a concealed weapon. 
The editorial board is careful not to mention that Utah has a murder rate of 1.8 per 100,000 people, one of the lowest of any state.  California has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000 people.  They also fail to mention that people who may legally carry firearms are less likely to commit crimes than police officers are.  They are far less likely to commit crimes than the general population.

The LA Times editorial board is bragging about how much they infringe on the Second Amendment rights of California citizens.  They imply how much they enjoy doing it. They are pleading with President Donald Trump and those nasty Republicans not to take away their progressive power trip pleasure.

Sorry, LA Times editorial board. You have shown yourselves to be a far greater abuser of rights than the Second Amendment community. Your abuse of the First Amendment as a way to destroy the rest of the Constitution is coming to an end. People do not find you to be credible any more.

Enjoy your long slide into irrelevancy.  You have earned it many times over.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; banglistlatimes; ca; latimes; nationalreciprocity
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National reciprocity is bad. Because!..Wah, Wah, Way...
1 posted on 12/12/2016 3:41:58 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Wow. The LA Times is pro-States Rights. Who knew?


2 posted on 12/12/2016 3:46:14 AM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: marktwain

Then it is bad for marriage.


3 posted on 12/12/2016 3:59:02 AM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 16 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: marktwain

I always figured if the WaPo, NY Times, LA times, etc. thought something was a bad idea, then it automatically had to be a good idea.


4 posted on 12/12/2016 4:19:05 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: WayneS

On one hand I’m all for state’s rights.

On the other hand, why do the states get to ignore “shall not be infringed”? I suppose the argument becomes that the various ammendments apply to the Federal Government?? But seeing as those amendments had to be voted on by a majority of the states, it would seem that the states would need to abide by those rules as well.

Although I got to admit, it’s pretty cool to own a weapon where it says on the box “This Firearm Not Legal In California.”

Of course in ten years that may just mean it isn’t a single-shot .22.


5 posted on 12/12/2016 4:30:30 AM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: marktwain

Heh heh - All Americans were created equal, but some were created more equal than others - here come the birds to s#!t all over anyone we disagree with.....


6 posted on 12/12/2016 4:35:32 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: marktwain

Agreed, national Constitutional carry it is!! :)


7 posted on 12/12/2016 4:36:05 AM PST by LambSlave
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To: jimfree

And driver’s licenses, and abortion, and, and, and.


8 posted on 12/12/2016 5:05:33 AM PST by ops33 (SMSgt, USAF, Retired)
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To: marktwain

Medical and recreational marijuana? Stay out of our state! State’s Rights! People have a right to marijuana!

National reciprocity? Stay out of our state! State’s Rights! People don’t have a right to defend themselves!


9 posted on 12/12/2016 5:11:56 AM PST by rarestia (Repeal the 17th Amendment, and ratify Article the First to give the power back to the people!)
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To: 21twelve

The Second Amendment was originally believed to apply to the States.

Then, about 1830, the Supreme Court ruled that the Bill of Rights did not apply to the States.

After the War Between the States, the 14th Amendment was passed, saying that all rights and privileges in of American Citizens belonged to all Citizens.

Then, a few years later, the Supreme Court ruled that they did not apply to the States.

Then, Starting after 1900, the Supreme Court stated “incorporating” various parts of the Bill of Rights under the 14th Amendment.

So it is a checkered history.


10 posted on 12/12/2016 5:55:05 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

And as we all know, the Mexifornia Times has a 100% correct record on all things economic, social, and political.

The big one will prove interesting when it comes.


11 posted on 12/12/2016 6:09:17 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: marktwain
but forcing faggot marriage on all 50 states is GOOD... right???
12 posted on 12/12/2016 6:14:54 AM PST by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING! ich bin ein Deplorable...)
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To: Chode

Typical Democrat response. I will follow the Constitution only when it advances the policies that I want.

Otherwise, it is an old document that has to be reinterpreted whenever I do not like the results.


13 posted on 12/12/2016 6:20:18 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Mark Levin made the coherent case years ago that SCOTUS was a failed institution.


14 posted on 12/12/2016 6:31:29 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (Truth, in a time of universal deceit, is courage)
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To: marktwain

Because it is already in the constitution. On another note, I avoid non reciprocity states when I travel to spend my vacation dollars.


15 posted on 12/12/2016 6:33:15 AM PST by Billyv (Freedom isn't Free! Get off the sidelines!)
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To: marktwain
By comparison, California — with 33 times Utah’s population — has only 79,834 active concealed-carry permits, according to the state attorney general’s office. Among other things, California has a more stringent training regimen and requires a person seeking a permit to show good-cause for needing to carry a concealed weapon.

Show good-cause?!?!? How about...hmmm...Gang-bangers with guns far out number CA residents with CCW permits.

16 posted on 12/12/2016 6:40:54 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: marktwain
100%
17 posted on 12/12/2016 6:58:37 AM PST by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING! ich bin ein Deplorable...)
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To: marktwain

I bet the LA Times is OK with inter-state agreements like the National Voting Compact, /S.


18 posted on 12/12/2016 7:07:12 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: marktwain
"The editorial board is careful not to mention that Utah has a murder rate of 1.8 per 100,000 people, one of the lowest of any state. California has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000 people. They also fail to mention that people who may legally carry firearms are less likely to commit crimes than police officers are. They are far less likely to commit crimes than the general population.

"The LA Times editorial board is bragging about how much they infringe on the Second Amendment rights of California citizens. They imply how much they enjoy doing it. They are pleading with President Donald Trump and those nasty Republicans not to take away their progressive power trip pleasure."

Worth repeating; and a phrase worth remembering.

19 posted on 12/12/2016 8:32:14 AM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: marktwain
Then, about 1830, the Supreme Court ruled that the Bill of Rights did not apply to the States.

Thank you for posting this.

Another historical example of the "nothing is ever settled Law" discussion...

The schizophrenic Supreme Court (over time ) has carte blanche to contradict itself on the whims of trivial and unjustified political winds...

The Bill of Rights not applying to the States comes as a shocker to me.
That 1830 Supreme Court decision should be an educational decision to read...

20 posted on 12/12/2016 9:04:49 AM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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