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www.cronos.com ^ | 30 June 2016 | Cronos

Posted on 06/30/2016 4:44:27 AM PDT by Cronos

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To: faucetman

ok, call BS on it if you want.


21 posted on 06/30/2016 6:15:15 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

I don’t have any answers, but I want to say thank you for doing what you can to help the children. My heart goes out to them, for they have a rough road ahead.

I don’t think as a Christian we are allowed turn our back on children in need.

Whatever love and help you can give to the children is seen by God, and He will reward you when you see Him face to face. Hang in there and run the race that is set before you, for it can not be much longer.


22 posted on 06/30/2016 6:15:31 AM PDT by slipper (It is almost too late;)
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To: Cronos

No advice, but I wish you the best and hope you can make a difference for the children, even if you don’t see the results.


23 posted on 06/30/2016 6:24:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Estos sufrimientos pasaran, y la esperanza una salida marcara." ~ Abp. Romero)
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To: Cronos

My advice, if the kids love their mom, leave it alone. In the USA, custody standard is very simple, and decisions are made “in the best interest of a child” and the best interest of a child is remaining with parent or parents at almost all cost. Child protective services will move heaven and earth to keep a child with a parent unless there is overwhelming evidence a child is being abused, or neglected and neglected does not mean dirt, it means not being fed for days, left alone, unsupervised, etc. Even if a child is removed for one of these causes, it is rarely permanent, as the parent has the right to rehabilitation, still entitled to visitation, possibly supervised and if the parent goes through established plans, the child is returned to the parent. A oarent has the right to rehabilitation from drug/alcohol abuse, a criminal record is not relevant either. So, it is a big mountain to climb.


24 posted on 06/30/2016 6:32:32 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: slipper
Thank you -- but the real thanks are to the friend. We just said yes we'll take her.

The strange thing is that we already have the reward -- watching a crying kid come alive and laugh is a reward in itself. God will lead these children. We can only play the role of His instruments if the opportunity comes, we'll say yes.

25 posted on 06/30/2016 6:33:58 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
I'm inclined to aree with Rapscallion. I think that you are headed for much heartache with this situation. I understand the compulsion you feel to intervene and help the children. But I will offer this:

How much does this woman care about her children presently, when she is now pregnant a third time with another child from as many fathers? If she truly cared about her children, she would close her legs and stop fornicating with the boyfriend du jure, and try to create a stable life with/for the children she already has.

26 posted on 06/30/2016 6:46:24 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Cronos

Amen, and may God bless you and your family.

I am thankful for people like you.


27 posted on 06/30/2016 6:58:18 AM PDT by slipper (It is almost too late;)
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It seems the first step is to stop the leak in the boat as it is getting worse if she is about to bring yet another child victim into the world with another father. The yet to be born child can be saved first with a good adoption. This woman clearly is unable to handle even more responsibilities. Second priority would be for her to stop having children. Since it seems she can't control herself or life maybe she can consider or be counseled about these options. I am suggesting starting with the most savable, the baby, and working backwards. It is very hard to help those who do not want real help but who really just want you to enable them to continue their own acting out. This mom needs counseling. I take exception to the idea that she "loves" her children. Love is not what you feel but what you do. Her actions say she puts herself first and that does not seem like love. You sound kind and caring. I wish you all the luck in the world.
28 posted on 06/30/2016 7:02:11 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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None of this is your responsibility. You are not helping, you are enabling. Is there a history of alcoholism in your past? These problems were not caused by you and sad as it seems, you cannot solve these problems — but your involvement can make them worse!

Let go and let God.

You can pray for them and witness to them. That is the extent of your true obligation.


29 posted on 06/30/2016 7:03:50 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (We will no longer surrender this country to the false song of globalism. –Donald Trump)
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You could meet with the whole family and tell them that if it is too difficult to house the children, they should call you. You want them treated well and protected because they are so good and you love them and their mom. Praise the grand parents for showing the children such mercy so they can be with their parents while they get set up on their own.

Depending on how bad things are, you can decide on whether you need child protection services to come into the mix.

It is loving and honorable work you are doing for children in your community. Thank you. God bless you. I will pray for you and the family.


30 posted on 06/30/2016 7:18:32 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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Heartened to see your kind reply. As evidenced in one of the earlier posts—it doesn’t take a lot for a person to make a huge difference in the outcome of a child’s life. I would help these children, and stop judging the mother so harshly. Is she doing the right thing? No, of course not, but she sounds like a woman who is badly damaged but not beyond hope. I agree, help her as well. Will it be costly? Yes, probably. Most things worthwhile in life are. Prayer is huge, and you know, it does work. I’ll say one myself for resolution of this situation, and hope it reaches God’s ears.


31 posted on 06/30/2016 8:47:35 AM PDT by binreadin
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Spend time in Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, and Pray for
The Family.


32 posted on 06/30/2016 9:21:59 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Donald Trump will ban auto-correct with an Executive Order. Go Trump!)
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That would be a sound and wonderful outcome for these children.
It’s unfortunate that a few orphanages in the past were terribly run, and during the 1970’s along with psychiatric institutions were summarily closed. Of course society was itself coarser, but I’ve known people who grew up in orphanages away from original abuse or neglect who led successful and stable lives.
Orphanages were places, that parents could bring their children when they were unable to take care of them, it didn’t mean they would necessarily be adopted by anyone. It meant the parent had peace of mind, and the children were taken care of. Of course there can also be wonderful foster care families, but there are also families who decide to do this as a source of income. I am also concerned that many children are bounced from family to family. Children do need stability, but the learned behaviors in neglectful and abusive families, causes a multi-generational outcome.


33 posted on 06/30/2016 10:23:26 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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the bouncing from foster home to foster home is incomprehensible to me -- I can't imagine being in the foster child OR parent's shoes.

This case worries me about the "learned behaviors" as you point out. I'd like to think as a conservative I want everyone to get as many opportunities as possible -- what they do with that is their own choice and ability, but children should get opportunities.

34 posted on 06/30/2016 11:07:57 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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I agree, try to help the mom. Probably if you even could legally foster the daughter, it would seriously affect your bio son’s life for the negative. However, if you are ready to adopt, why not see of you can persuade her to give up her unborn to you following legal channels there.

My dad was raised by foster parents as a holocaust survivor child. They were so precious to him, even though he got his parents back at 16. Theirs was a very deep love and we still consider their descendants family.

It is very difficult (because of the damage done) to adopt older children over the age of 2 and not for people with kids of their own. Prayers for all.


35 posted on 06/30/2016 11:19:47 PM PDT by Yaelle (Donald Trump vs. Bipartisan Oligarchy)
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To: momtothree

Wonderful story. Thank you for sharing. There are many other children out there who need “second mothers.”


36 posted on 06/30/2016 11:35:41 PM PDT by thecodont
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