Posted on 05/08/2016 11:33:19 AM PDT by Jacquerie
Freedom depends on the separation of powers. Power is flowing into the executive and judiciary. It is our job to restore and refine this simple concept.
.....well, I did not use the word “secession” because I don’t think that is the way the cookie will crumble. Indeed, you really nail it. If the states grab some sac and LITERALLY enforce the 10th Ammendment and all others, the ensuing imbroglio will starve the federal government of money and any necessity to even have them continue to exist. I really don’t think anything like a Civil War II is in the cards. Your spot on. A strict enforcement of the 10th leads to hundreds of disputes with the feds from 50 states and a cutting off of money flow to WDC.
Now, how much do I think the states will do this? Very little! This puts us back to Article V or breakup. Either way, Sumpthin’s gotta give!!
Thanks you, Cen-Tejas. You seem to have the right things up on your radar. As far as Article V goes, it may be necessary but it is not sufficient.
The biggest problem is the states not deciding to go back to the roots of American INDEPENDENCE and not shaking off their financial dependency on the feds.
Somewhere along the line courage and bravery is going to have to enter into the picture for us to shake of the shackles of the feds unconstitutional tyranny, reinstate the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land, and have a rebirth of freedom in our land.
Precisely-conceived-and-worded amendments, although very difficult to achieve but helpful and in some cases necessary if achieved, still cannot take the place of the bravery and courage of people and states to stand up to the federal bullies and fight through to victory for freedom.
Your post did not address the fact that this is a divided nation. Why do you expect the blue states to agree with the red states on the necessary changes?
I don't know what your view is of America circa 1787, but the common assumption today that the people of thirteen very diverse republics back then were united in common cause is an exaggeration.
As the Confederation dissolved before their eyes, many were in despair that stable republican government was nigh impossible.
Today, and despite the fact that Leftists have dominated government, pop culture, and especially education for decades, the wonder is that there are any conservatives at all.
Yes, we are divided, yet I view the rise of Trump alone as clear thinking on the part of a culture that has been imbued with social justice baloney. It proves to me the actuality of Natural Law, the Law of Reason.
Also, I've lost track how many times a majority of states have challenged Obama’s diktats in court. Sixty-six of ninety-nine state legislative bodies are NOT controlled by democrats.
There is an undeniable upwelling of resistance across our country.
Now, to your question, what happens if the states in an Article V convention cannot find common ground in amendments? Uh, the delegates go home.
Even if the convention is a “failure” in this regard, the ice-block that has bound the state and their people into subservience will have been broken.
The states receive a boat-load of money from the federal government. Do you expect the state legislatures to vote for a balanced budget amendment knowing that will result in the states losing revenue?
Even though republicans control state legislatures, do you expect those blue states to vote to strengthen the second amendment? Or, would they vote to abolish it?
My concern is not that there will be a ‘runaway’ convention that does too much, my position is that there will be a ‘do-nothing’ convention that will dead lock on all most all.
All my friends and associates are well educated and well off. But, I guarantee you that 8 out of 10 of them (if not 10 out of 10!!) could not explain the meaning of the 10th Ammendment. I further guarantee that a substantial % of Texas State Legislators could not either.
Will it take rounds pinging off the granite surrounding the legislators windows to get their attention and get them educated?
This is sad because the 10th, rigorously adhered to, could clean up most of our ills.
And the 10th Amendment as written is not hard to understand.
I’m guessing your friends have been to law school or been effected by such, where the entire Constitution especially the 9th and 10th Amendments, have been so convoluted that some law professors in preparation for the Constitutional Law bar exam actually say, “Don’t read the Constitution it will not help you pass the bar. Listen to me. What I say, not what is written in the Constitution, will help you pass the bar.”
Our political freedoms embodied in the Constitution and confirmed by these amendments, have be hijacked by the Left. Time to get it back one way or the other, and as Reagan once said, “by point of bayonet” if necessary.
.......you know, yes, I know several lawyers who would have heard of the tenth but could not explain it. I have, in the last year though, converted one from Republican E to the core to a Trumpster. And, I’m not knocking “good” lawyers. They have saved some of my projects more than once.
I soooo agree with your statement about Reagan and the bayonet. The mental picture I have of the father stopping a pervert from going into the same bathroom his daughter just went in (he was guarding the door) conjures up in my mind a “bayonet” situation. Aren’t we almost there? It sometimes seems so. The next thing you know the left is going to start pushing pedoism in the form of them having the right to walk up and touch your daughter like she was a puppy “cause she’s so cute” and your “pedophobic” for stopping him and then the NYT will chime in and agree that you are. The muzzies already are doing that (touching women) in Europe. Again, aren’t we almost there?? Sometimes I just want to look around and ask myself “where’s the barricade?” “What company am I in?” “who’s my gunny sergeant?
I feel there are millions who feel similarly and it is all about to EXPLODE. Hopefully this election will save our ass!
If you look closely enough, you’ll see the feds are behind forcing almost all of these perversions on a people who wrongly think they must acquiesce because they don’t know their Constitution.
For perspective, here’s a little American history in a nutshell (the truth, unlike what the “teach” in public school)...
Through the 1800’s American central government hovered around mid-single-digit % of Gross Domestic Product. Government was small, insignificant and thought about very little by the average American. In the meantime the average American, free to pursue his wants and dreams, was better off than average citizens and most everyone else in the rest of the world. By the end of the 1800’s America had grown to be the most prosperous, innovative, wealthy, and free nation on earth.
The 1900’s began with a significant and startling worldwide shift away from faith in God towards faith in man and his government.
The next 80 years saw leadership, with the exception of Cool Cal, constantly growing the central government and perverting the Constitution to attempt to legally justify such growth.
In the 80’s, Reagan brought “Morning in America.” However, Americans still hadn’t figured out that individual autonomy and state sovereignty were the key to America’s freedom and future, even though Reagan ran on those ideals. It was more like, “We’ve got the right guy” but he was in charge of a rogue government.
The next essentially 30 years has seen the loony Left accelerating growing government and ignoring the Constitution and state sovereignty with the grand crescendo of Obama’s Anti-American Administration.
People are pissed, more than they were with Carter just before Reagan, but are they pissed enough to vote for state leaders who will throw off the shackles of unconstitutional federal government tyranny and refuse financial dependence on them anymore? At a deeper and significant but very relevant level, are enough ready to turn from trusting in man and his government to turn again to trusting in the Lord?
Those are the real questions IMO. The answer is not in the election of a politician. The answer is enough Americans willing to fight and die if necessary to reinstate the Constitution, the only legal bulwark of political freedom against the tyranny of the feds, as the Supreme Law of the Land, cut the central government by at least 80%, and put it and keep it in its constitutional cage.
As with most things, it all comes down to money and it needs to start with at least ONE state. If just one state had the courage to go financially independent of the feds in conjunction with nullifying unconstitutional acts of the feds, others would follow. The revolt against the tyranny of the feds would be on in force and hopefully the Constitution reinstated as the Supreme Law of the Land and state sovereignty restored. A rebirth of freedom in America.
Bingo!! We have big picture agreement re your last paragraph. Namely, if the states will simply employ the 10th Ammendment Tool the Constitution gives them, regardless of the now lawless Supreme Court, we can turn things around.
If Trump gets elected, he hopefully will nominate and get confirmed some REAL CONTSITUTIONAL ENFORCERS!
Per your history tutorial, spineless state governments over recent decades have allowed this all to come to pass.
Glad we’re in agreement. If you’re ever nominated for governor, remember, probably your most important role will be to risk your political career by nullifying unconstitutional acts of tyranny of the feds and, thereafter, be totally prepared to make your state financially independent of the feds. Short-term pain, angst, and possible political fallout, but long-term deliverance and freedom, not unlike at America’s beginnings.
Party politics is the elephant in the room. It supercedes fealty to one’s state and is controllable by the puppet masters in Washington.
The CoC is fairly problematic as there are so many hoops to jump through and each step has to be done just right. I also have issues with some of the amendments being pushed. Plus there is an undetermined waiting period until there are enough states. But we need relief now!
That’s where constitutional state sovereignty comes in. RIGHT NOW, states can and MUST nullify and reject unconstitutional federal acts which are by definition acts of tyranny. The states are front and center in our fight for the rebirth of freedom in America.
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