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To: harpygoddess
Also “Balls to the Wall” was from WWII, then a fighter pushed the throttle all the way forward, the little ball on top of the throttle was against the Firewall. The throttle ball was to the firewall.

“The Whole 9 Yards” also from WWII. The machine-gun belts were 27 feet long, so when the gunner fired the entire belt, he gave them the whole 9 yards.

10 posted on 05/05/2016 5:17:29 AM PDT by amigatec (2 Thess 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: amigatec

The earliest known citation I know of for ‘the whole nine yards’ is from 1907, which disproves any WWI or II origin. From The Mitchell Commercial (an Indiana newspaper) 2 May 1907:

“This afternoon at 2:30 will be called one of the baseball games that will be worth going a long way to see. The regular nine is going to play the business men as many innings as they can stand, but we can not promise the full nine yards.”

The same paper a year later, 4 June 1908:

...Roscoe went fishing and has a big story to tell, but we refuse to stand while he unloads. He will catch some unsuspecting individual some of these days and give him the whole nine yards.


31 posted on 05/05/2016 5:46:04 AM PDT by StayAt HomeMother
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To: amigatec
“The Whole 9 Yards” also from WWII. The machine-gun belts were 27 feet long, so when the gunner fired the entire belt, he gave them the whole 9 yards.

Can also mean the number of yards of cloth in a Scottish kilt. The best kilts were made from nine yards of cloth.

50 posted on 05/05/2016 6:25:33 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi! My vote went to Cruz.)
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To: amigatec; StayAt HomeMother; Night Hides Not

” ... “The Whole 9 Yards” also from WWII. The machine-gun belts were 27 feet long, so when the gunner fired the entire belt, he gave them the whole 9 yards.”

Whatever the origins, this has become an internet urban legend. The other attributions (kilts, baseball) probably have a more credible claim as to origin, as it could not possibly have originated from fighter aircraft in the Second World War.

By the late 1930s, all (allied) aircraft guns (fixed or flexible) used disintegrating metal-link belts, which do not have any fixed or standard length. They were pieced together round by round and link by link, to the exact size required to fill the ammunition boxes of any particular airplane and application (some aircraft mounted both fixed and flexible guns - B-25H, A-24, Grumman Avenger, A-26, B-26 are some).

No two different makes/models of aircraft were equipped with the same ammunition boxes.

US and British fighters (and nearly all other aircraft flown by those two countries) were armed with Browning guns during WWII. “Standard” fabric belts were still used at that time for ground guns and they held 250 rounds in the 30 cal version. Just a minute or two with a ruler can tell you that such a belt will never be nine yards long.

If there is any chance that the slang originated in ordnance circles, it likely dates to the First World War. Canvas belts for the British Vickers gun held 250 rounds when standard-built; the cartridge pockets are spaced quite differently than those in a Browning belt. Length is remarakbly close to 27 feet.

The Maxim, the other widely used gun of the day (very extensively by Germany and Russia/USSR in both World Wars), used a belt of very similar configuration and size.


129 posted on 05/05/2016 11:51:19 AM PDT by schurmann
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To: amigatec
Also “Balls to the Wall” was from WWII, then a fighter pushed the throttle all the way forward, the little ball on top of the throttle was against the Firewall. The throttle ball was to the firewall.



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169 posted on 01/04/2020 1:26:31 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: amigatec

must be the water-cooled mg’s. that is a lot of weight, (30-cal). You’d have to have a number of men to carry a 27 foot belt of 50 BMG. LOL


219 posted on 01/05/2020 11:30:44 PM PST by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual and political hemlock)
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