Posted on 04/22/2016 12:48:28 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
I am posting this as a “vanity”, my very first “vanity” post and BTW in Bloggers/Personal where it belongs, but since there have been multiple threads on this topic and way too many people on multiple threads that I would like to respond to, I am posting it here.
For those of you who think allowing men to use the ladies room, whether they are “transgendered”- surgically or hormonally or either and or, or a just a “cross-dresser”- a man BTW who still has his “man parts” and likes and has sex with women but gets his jollies off by dressing up in women’s clothing, or someone who is “gender fluid” or “self-identifies” as a woman at will, or whatever other sort of sick twisted perversion inhabits them, is no big deal and nothing bad happens or nothing bad happens “very often”, and “they” should be able to "use the bathroom that they feel is “appropriate"” - let me tell you what happened to my one of my 7-year-old great nieces back in the Fall of last year.
My niece called me on a Monday morning before work and told me that late that Sunday afternoon, her husband and their 4 daughters; their 8-year-old daughter and their 7-year-old triplet daughters, were coming home from a family outing out of town and on their way home and still with a long drive ahead of them, they stopped at a convenience store for some some gas, snacks and drinks and a potty break. (Think one of those big Wawa or Sheetz stores.)
With 4 “little” girls, my niece often has trouble when taking all of 4 of the girls into a public restroom at the same time as there are often not enough stalls available at one time or right next to one another and having taken them out myself I know it can be difficult – as wonderful as the girls are, it can be like herding cats at times. But now that they are somewhat older they don’t need “help” going potty and they know to wipe themselves and wash their hands, their mom doesn’t necessarily stay inside the restroom stalls with each of them until they are all finished.
So after two of the girls finished their potty break, she told the other two to hurry up and reminded them as most mother’s would, “and don’t forget to wash your hands”, thinking this was “the big concern”, she walked with out of the bathroom with the other two but was standing close by, just outside the lady’s room entrance, waiting.
What she didn’t see was a male, later learned to be 17 years old and over 6” tall and with a semi beard, a man for all intents and purposes, who walked out of the men’s room and straight into the women’s room. She’d only looked away from the entrance to the lady’s room for a brief moment.
She said she heard what sounded like a bathroom stall door slamming shut but didn’t really think anything of it, thought it was one of her kids since she didn’t think anyone else was in there with them.
Mere minutes later one of the triplets came out of the restroom screaming. All she kept screaming was “Mommy! Mommy! There is a man in there! A Man!” and then finally said, “He came in and he pushed me back down on the toilet and he licked me!”
My niece yelled to her husband, “call 9-11”, someone just molested * and then she ran into the restroom were her 8-year-old daughter and the perv still where.
He had locked himself in the stall after * had managed to push him off of her and run out, and my niece grabbed her other daughter out of the stall she was still in and out of the bathroom. She was crying uncontrollably and told her mother that he was putting his hands under and then trying to crawl under the adjacent stall into hers.
Meanwhile her father and one of the store clerks were already on the phone with the police and after all four girls were safely with their dad, my niece went back into the restroom to confront the perv who was now hiding in the stall, standing on top of the toilet, trying to hide and not to be seen and with the stall door locked.
Soon the “boy’s” mother came in and told her to “stop yelling at my son” and that he had a mental disability, had a social affective disorder, that he was ADHD, he was “autistic” along with a bunch of other supposed “disorders” she rattled off and that he didn’t “know any better” and then his mother took him out and tried to leave the store with him.
But not as so soon as the 1st police officer who just arrived saw them running across the parking lot and attempting to hide in a nearby farm field and caught up to and detained them and brought them back to the store, both in handcuffs.
My niece’s husband showed remarkable restraint but when he heard the woman tell the officer that her son was mentally disabled and it “wasn’t his fault”, he launched into her, saying something to the effect that “if you son is so messed up and dangerous, his fault or not, this is ultimately your fault because you know it and if you can’t control him you shouldn’t be taking him out in public – he needs to be in an institution and not being in places where he can molest my daughter” among a lot of other things that can’t be repeated here. One of the other cops had to pull him away.
When the police officer asked the perv what he was doing in the lady’s room, he would not answer, but his mother did, saying….wait for it….wait for it….“HE’S GENDER CONFUSED!” and “He doesn’t really understand the difference between boys and girls sometimes”.
BS!
After the police officer interviewed my great niece (and my niece said the cop was really great with her), she finally told him that the man licked her face and her neck and then he put his tongue in her mouth and then grabbed her legs, but the officer and her parents were and are still not sure if she meant that he grabbed her leg or put his hand between her legs, as she wouldn’t and still won’t answer that question. She also said that the man whispered something in her ear but she could not make out all the words except for “I want to” and “you”. I can only imagine what this sick mf’er actually said to her but you can fill in the blanks and draw your own conclusions.
My older great niece also told the officer how after her sister escaped, that “the man” was putting his hands and eventually his head under the stall and into hers, sticking his tongue out and was trying to crawl under the divider before her mother pulled her out.
A customer who had been in the men’s room moments earlier told the officer that he’d seen the guy just as he walked out and that he had pulled his tee shirt up over his head, hiding his face and thought it was very strange but that if he’d seen him walk into the lady’s room or known what he was up to, he’d have pummeled him into a bloody pulp and then he patted the outside of his leather jacket and said to the cop “or I would have just shot him”. The cop just smiled and winked and nodded in agreement and said, “Well if you told me he had attacked you, if you told me you thought you saw a weapon on him, it would probably be justifiable homicide – justifiable self-defense” by CCP holder - right?” “Yep”, the man answered. I wish that had been the case.
Then the cops, over the pleading of his mother, crying - “don’t hurt my baby, my “boy”” arrested the perv. One of the officers who talked to the sick perv said to my niece’s husband, “Yes he’s obviously “mental”, but it’s also obvious to me that he also knows right from wrong”. But he wouldn’t answer his question as to if this perv had a previous record of this sort of thing or not but only said to my niece’s husband - “We know him”, seemingly indicating that this was not the first time this sort of thing had happened.
The girls have been told many times by their parents and at school about what to do when a stranger tries to touch them inappropriately or grab them – things like yelling “Stranger Danger” or even “Fire” but * and her sister were frozen with fear on this day. Keep in mind that this all took place in and over a matter of mere minutes.
And * had nightmares for weeks and her father was sleeping on the floor next to her bed during those weeks to comfort and console her and tell her she was safe when she woke up several times a night screaming.
FWIW later that week, and something he’d been thinking about even before this happened, their dad enrolled all four girls in a self-defense school that came highly recommended, a mixed martial arts class. Not that this will enable them, little girls to fight off a large and strong male attacker per se, but it can give them the tools to disable one however briefly in order to get away and the confidence to not be a silent victim.
At this school they teach many martial arts and self-defense moves including Judo, Kenpo, Kung Fu, Hapkido, Krav Maga, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai, just not karate and that they also teach kids integrity, respect, humility, patience and discipline and they don’t just hand out black belts to anyone who pays for one like a lot of other martial arts schools. I checked out their website and observed one of their classes and was so impressed with it and with the Sensei, that I’m even thinking of signing up for one of their adult classes.
The girls BTW love their classes and recently earned their white belts and * finally stopped having nightmares.
But here’s the thing….
What this perv did to my great niece was a crime and would be a crime with or without laws – federal laws, state laws and with or without any store policies like Target’s regarding whether a person of the opposite biological gender has to use the men’s or lady’s room or the rest room of their biological birth or can use the one of their “choosing”.
HOWEVER - and I think this is the VERY IMPORTANT PART - in the police report and the charging documents it was noted that “a 17-year old “male” entered the women’s restroom, where he did not belong and with obvious bad intent.”
If a biological male decides he wants to use the Lady’s Room because he’s using the bathroom he “feels is appropriate”; and who is to say otherwise if that’s how he/she/ it “feels” on any given day or moment, or as this perv’s mother claimed, “HE’S GENDER CONFUSED!”, then the fact of him being in the woman’s room in the first place would not be something that would support in the police report and charging documents as having “bad intent”. And the only thing to support the charges against him would be the word of a 7 and 8-year-old as to what happened as there were no adult witnesses. And we know how that works out some times.
If a biological male can use whatever restroom that he wants to use at the time based on how he “identifies” at any given time, then no one could really question why he was there in the first place.
No one BTW, not even Cruz is proposing to post the police; local, state or federal outside of the Lady’s Rooms in order to do a “penis check” on everyone entering, however, giving pervs a blanket allowance to go into the women’s rest rooms, showers or locker rooms in the first place is asking for more instances like the one I described and will make prosecution of such offences more difficult.
BTW – the last I time I talked to my niece about it, she said the DA was still intending to prosecute but was vacillating on whether to accept a plea bargain to a lesser charge like “voyeurism” or “simple assault” and the perv’s mother and his lawyer keep delaying. By the time this finally gets to trial, if it ever does, I have to wonder how much my great nieces will actually remember about what happened that day if and when they have to testify. The only solid piece of evidence against him that might stand up in court is that this “man” went into the lady’s room where he did not belong in in the first place.
Think about that. Debate, discuss and flame me if you like, but I stand by not allowing men to use female restrooms, lockers, shower rooms, etc.
Check out this compendium of cross-dressing pervs and rapists posing as trannies.
They would all be free to use any ladies’ room under the Charlotte type laws.
“The threat to women and girls presented by transgender bathroom bills”
My first and only question/observation is this, why did not dad go in the restroom and beat the living crap out of this person but instead chose to stay with the clerk and call 911 while the wife went into a restroom to confront a pervert and even then not beat this scum bag before police came and he ran off?
Where are the men of this world?!!!
Where are the men of this world?!!!
In the ladies room,where else
They have been feminized.
A year ago, anyone seeing a man entering a women's rest room would have immediately raised an alarm. Now, most folks will hesitate for fear of appearing non-PC. It's very much like the hesitation to report a Muslim doing anything wrong.
Innocents will continue to be hurt - or worse - just so deviants can claim their "rights".
I regret to say we'll be seeing more of what you bravely described, much more. And the "gender confused" will next ask for access to women's locker rooms, and to women's showers. And they'll get it.
Appreciate the post.
I just don’t think I have the words to express my disgust and contempt with ‘leaders’ who see no problem with giving free reign to these perverted psychos. If I had been there that day, I guarantee I would have killed that damned freak. And again, for the politicians, celebrities, corporate CEO’s that are doing everything they can to enable this sick insanity, condemning the NC law, I’d like to see each and every one of them violently dispatched to hell.
We don't control everything and law or not, we have to protect ourselves and others. There are so many laws already that are not enforced. A law about this will be no panaceas unless there is someone at that door to enforce it.
I am so sorry for what happened
This crime is not about people using bathrooms.
I keep asking with no answer forth coming how do you enforce such a law?
If someone is dressed like a woman enters a bathroom and uses the facilities and leaves what is there to do? If a crime is committed regardless of dress then I hope it is a CCW location
Even with a law you would have to detain that nasty person in your graphic until it could be verified what it was. I wouldn’t volunteer to check. I know women who were born female about that ugly. I might however knock it on its a** accidentally.
This country has lost its morals, and until it regains them, watch your back.
Part of the problem is that how the person dresses doesn't really matter.
A man who looks like a man, and dresses like a man, and acts like a man, can now decide on the spur of the moment that he's a mentally a woman. And so he can follow some little girl into the woman's room.
Their mom was right there and was the one closest one to rescue their older daughter and acting on motherly instinct. If their dad had rushed to and run to and into the rest room, he would have left his other two daughters alone to fend for themselves without knowing if the perv or other pervs, perhaps someone meaning to abduct them were still there, inside the store. It was a split second decision and probably the right one given the circumstances.
FWIW while guarding his other two daughters he also tried to physical stop the perv and his mother from leaving the store.
As I related one of the cops had to pull him away as he was about to pummel the perv and his mother.
Firstly, I hope your family heals from this horrendous event.
Secondly, the law is moral restraint. It has no hold over an immoral person.
Restrooms are a plumbing question. Your plumbing should
match the sign on the restroom you use.
There are many issues here, and changing the plumbing doesn’t make you change sex. You have a good point though. Requiring the change does make it harder for evil and predatory people (as opposed to those who are just confused and mentally ill) to act out without consequences.
The point is, under the libtard Charlotte law, it would not matter a whit if the ugliest man in the world, with a penis, in men’s jeans and boots, came into your ladies’ room.
The law would be on his side. All he has to do is say, “I identify as a woman.” Period.
Read up on this subject here, it’s really interesting and disturbing, but the good side is it provides us culture war ammo to fire back.
https://autogynephiliatruth.wordpress.com/2016/04/13/the-20-most-read-articles-on-this-site/
I just found this website. It’s a virtual armory for fighting back against this madness.
https://autogynephiliatruth.wordpress.com/2016/04/13/the-20-most-read-articles-on-this-site/
As I already said, no one is proposing “bathroom police”. It is absolutely impractical to do a “penis check” or asking for a BC from everyone entering a public bathroom so in that respect is “unenforceable”. And I dare say that if someone, a trannie like say looking like Ru Paul went into a Lady’s room, most would not bat an eyelash. And if Ru Paul hit on you at a bar after a few drinks, you might have a “Lola” story to tell.
That’s not the point.
The law came in response to a Charlotte City Council ordinance mandating that all public facilities should allow people to use the bathroom or locker room corresponding to their “gender identity”. The North Carolina statute overturned the rule, stating that public accommodation policy can only be established at the state level.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/trump-scolded-on-n-c-bathroom-bill-you-got-key-fact-wrong/
My point was and is that if anyone of any gender can use the bathroom of his/her/shims/its choice, the prosecution of any sexual assaults becomes more difficult to prove. If a man being in a women’s rest room is not on its self at all suspicious or out of the ordinary. It removes the “motive” out of the equation.
Thank you. She is recovering, slowly but is making progress, but all her sisters were effected by this. About a month later one of her triplet sisters, one of those not in restroom during the assault, peed her pants at school. When asked why she didn’t raise her hand to go to the bathroom, she told her mother and her teacher “I was afraid to go all by myself”.
Secondly, the law is moral restraint. It has no hold over an immoral person.
All laws, laws against murder, rape, theft, robbery, etc., are more or less a “moral restraint”. That’s why we punish immoral persons who break the laws of a moral society.
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