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To: flaglady47; nathanbedford
...stop tooting...

No. Nathan is right. I have also been writing for years about the immorality of fighting wars one has no intention of winning. Nathan has been writing about it from his perspective. Others here on Free Republic have done the same.

I believe the theme of "fight to win or get out" probably came from Free Republic and then crept into the writings of many in the media.

So, the bottom line is that NathanBedford is one of the truly insightful commentators on Free Republic regarding the military and war. He's worth reading, and far more often than not, he's worth heeding.

Finally, FWIW, I support Trump.

16 posted on 02/16/2016 10:26:18 PM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins

“Finally, FWIW, I support Trump.”

Your friend, Nathan Bedford, doesn’t. Guess he isn’t THAT insightful or smart, is he.


17 posted on 02/16/2016 10:29:55 PM PST by flaglady47 (TRUMP ROCKS)
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To: xzins; flaglady47; onedoug; SmokingJoe; DoughtyOne
It seems that you have come to my defense and not for the first time for which I am grateful and make this belated thank you. That you are also a Trump supporter reveals you to be exceptional among the class which is remarkable for its degree of objectivity.

For the record, contrary to flaglady47, I too am a Trump supporter if I have only a Democrat alternative to Trump in the general election when I will reach with the lever for one hand as I fall to my knees raising the other hand beseechingly to God for forgiveness for not finding a way to save the Republic from this Hobbesian choice.

I say this fully mindful of post #21 by flying lady 47 which says:

"For literally decades we carped and bitched and fretted and whined and moaned and cried because we knew what was taking place in our nation. It was dying for lack of a good man."

I have two reactions: first, of all people in this election on the Republican side the one man who is clearly not a "good" man is Donald Trump.

Second, this idea that a political savior can ride to our rescue is a very dangerous political philosophy. In America we have several times been favored by a great man in the Oval Office the greatest of whom was George Washington, but virtually every president rides in on high hopes and we find that he inevitably disappoints. In my lifetime we have the examples of FDR and Barack Obama coming into office hailed as our secular saviors only to find that they trashed the Constitution and assumed tyrannical powers, and in Barack Obama's case, he has consciously ruled with the intention to weaken us and expose us to our enemies. In retrospect we have cleaned up the image of the martyred Abraham Lincoln and nearly deified him but we must not be unmindful that among his virtues was also a constitutional overreach. More recently, Ronald Reagan has done wonders in diverting the Republic from a disastrous course, but even he disappointed in some respects partly because he was unable to fulfill unreasonable expectations ignorant of the realities of our entrenched government system. John Kennedy was heard to remark in frustration that he gave instructions to the bureaucracy but nothing happened.

To yearn for the man on horseback to ride in as a political savior is to betray a profound ignorance of the Constitution and the hard-won wisdom of our founders and framers who knew the danger of a tyrant and who brilliantly created a constitutional structure designed to frustrate the ambitions of such a man as Donald Trump.

It is not the want of a savior that is the problem but a culture, an educational base, a political structure, but most especially human nature which is inevitably the problem in politics and that can rarely be solved by a man on horseback. When we yield our Constitution, when we yield our judgment to the dream of a savior we open ourselves to tyranny. We are likely to get something far different than we bargained for. We are liable to get Caesar or, worse, we are liable to get Mussolini, Hitler, Castro or Mao.

To turn to a human creature as a savior is nearly blasphemous because it fails to recognize the biblical reality of human nature and it is in the case of Donald Trump doubly dangerous because he is a man of dubious character.

This may well be the last election for me and I may not survive Donald Trump's term. No one hopes that I am wrong more than I do about Donald Trump. For the sake of my children, my grandchildren, and my great-grandchild, I do not state my views here to "toot" my own horn but the sound the toxin of alarm about this man and about the psychosis, born of fear and even desperation, which causes our people to turn to an individual like Donald Trump.


26 posted on 02/17/2016 8:27:07 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: xzins
I believe the theme of "fight to win or get out"....

Used to hear it daily in 1969. Probably originated even before that.

Probably in every incursion or conflict where the general's or politician's heart was not in it, as deep as the hearts of those who were tasked with holding the line.

29 posted on 02/17/2016 11:35:02 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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