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To: TBBT

Another article written by the same thirteen-year.

This week’s talking point:

Trump is a liberal!
Trump is a liberal!
Trump is a liberal!

Just in case you missed it.


10 posted on 02/15/2016 6:51:32 AM PST by Pravious
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To: Pravious

thirteen-year = thirteen-year-old.


11 posted on 02/15/2016 6:52:18 AM PST by Pravious
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To: Pravious; C. Edmund Wright

>> Trump is a liberal! <<

Wrong. The man is most certainly not a liberal, he’s most certainly not a conservative.

He’s simply a mentally unstable individual and a pathological narcissist, a man with no fixed ideology other than the worship of his own personality.

Put another way, Trump is to political principle as reality TV is to reality — which is to say, there’s no significant correlation, no direct correspondence, no meaningful connection.


55 posted on 02/15/2016 7:27:37 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Pravious

Trying to frame Trump as a Liberal is silly.. no political liberal in 20 years has made an argument that put America first, not one. So this argument is stupid, ineffective and is a down right fail politically.

I understand why Cruz wants to do it, because Cruz has decided to carve out the political conservative purist as his target, and hopes he can get enough of those not so hard core to join in to win the primary.... This tact doesn’t generally work, as political ideological purity hasn’t won a general election in my lifetime. Even Reagan, did not win the primary in 1980 by simply arguing nothing more than conservative ideological purity.

This won’t work, because Trump has never argued that anyone should vote for him because he carries water for the ideological purity of the hard core conservative, just has he has never argued the talking points of the GOPe on various topics. The fact that so many people are blind to this is stunning. The fact that they think calling Trump a liberal for calling the Iraq war a failure just shows how out of touch not only the GOPe is, but other factions are to the general electorate.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but like it or not, there is no spin that makes the War in Iraq a success. You can try to argue the reasons for that all you like, but end of the day Iraq is in shambles, its on the verge of being a failed state, and the reason for that, is because like it or not, we went in there and caused it. Don’t simply try to argue we lost because of Barry... Bush and his advisors clearly did not have any plan on what to do once Saddam was toppled... Just as surely as Obama had no clue what to do once his precious arab spring toppled “dictators” in the middle east, and too brought radicals to power. Truth of the matter is we had men on the ground longer in Iraq than we had in Japan post war... and were still no closer to having a stable country than day one.

In hindsight, there is no way you can argue the war in Iraq was successful. Bickering over why it was unsuccessful 15 years later, isn’t going to change that general conclusion. Was it the best decision to make at the time? Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t, but that doesn’t change the outcome. Did Barry’s cowardess contribute to the failure? Sure, but you can’t argue even if he had stayed the course that it would have been worth it for what it turned out to be.

I hate to break this to some here, I supported Bush’s decisions at the time, but to believe in hindsight that it was the right move is pretty much an impossible argument. At the time was it right? Perhaps, but once you know the outcome, was it? A much tougher argument.

Trump is challenging orthodoxy that rightly needs to be challenged. Has Obama mishandled the middle east? Absofreakinglutely, did Bush mishandle the Iraq war before Obama was elected? Absofreakinglutely. If you don’t think the Iraq War’s handling didn’t help put Obama in power in 08, you are in denial... if you think 8 years later that the majority of americans view the Iraq war as a success you are flat out delusional.

Now, why is Trump winning? Not because he’s argued he’s an ideological pure conservative.... Not because he’s argued that he follows GOPe doctrine, or neocon foreign policy. Trump is winning because he’s made a very simple argument and case to the american people.... Their government has been selling them out for decades, and he will put America first, period. A very simple, concise and succinct offering that is resonating with Americans across all demographics.

Ideological purity by itself has NEVER won a presidential election, at least not in my lifetime. Reagan didn’t win in 1980 by arguing he’s the biggest conservative out there, his slogans were “Are You Better Off Than You Were Four Years Ago?” and “Let’s Make America Great Again”. He didn’t win in 1984 by arguing he was a great conservative ideologue... he did it with “Its Morning in America”.

Cruz, or anyone else for that matter, is going to take out Trump by arguing he’s not conservative enough... Especially when Trump is taking on GOPe stands that are frankly indefensible... that being the war in Iraq in hindsight was worth it... No rational person can look at it and say it was worth it in hindsight. That’s not saying it wasn’t the best decision that could have been made at the time... that may be true, but to try to argue in hindsight that it was worth it, is a failed argument.

An ideologue cannot win by simply being an ideologue and arguing others aren’t as pure. That’s never been a path to victory, not once. Not even Reagan tried to get elected or re-elected with such a foolish tact.

Cruz, or any other republican besides Trump wants to win, they need to co-op Trump’s message. The fact NONE of them have, tells you that the GOPe and the Money men of the Uniparty will NOT LET THAT HAPPEN. That tells you all you need to know about how broken the establishment system is. It is incapable of allowing anyone to argue put america first.


152 posted on 02/15/2016 8:30:47 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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