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Ted Cruz is a Naturalized Citizen, not "Natural Born"
Farmer John

Posted on 01/11/2016 4:52:40 AM PST by Joachim

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221 posted on 01/12/2016 2:37:17 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: PA-RIVER
-- hat was a naturalization act that was revoked. Right? --

Whatever it was, it is said to define NBC. If you were in the class of "children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States," you are NBC. If you are not in that class, you are not NBC. That's the way definitions usually work.

People who see the Act as a definition (and I would say that is the vast majority of them who confront this) reject the notion that this part of the act created a legal fiction, and was not a definition. But if it was a definition, it would have included at least some of the people born in the US (not Indians, some reference to state citizenship, and so on).

Seeing as how the 1790 Act doesn't define the citizenship of persons born in the US, I wonder where the people who cite 1790 Act as a definition go, to find the source of citizenship of persons born in the US, before the 14th amendment existed.

222 posted on 01/12/2016 2:50:55 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: thecodont
-- If McCain had been born in (let's say) Arizona, instead of Panama, who do you think would have ended up in the White House? --

I don't think citizenship affects elections. The voters are more ignorant than you can imagine. Not to say they aren't good, honest, hard-working and mostly well meaning folks, and certainly competent and intelligent enough in what they do for a living, just that this sort of issue is WAY outside the box of factors that determines their vote.

The system is arranged to allow candidates to bluff their way through to the office. If the PTB like the candidate, they will go along with the bluff. If they don't like the candidate, they will call the bluff. Nobody in the class of PTB is calling Cruz's bluff. Even the DEMs say he is qualified.

223 posted on 01/12/2016 2:57:36 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: PA-RIVER
He was a founder and put the definition to ink.

Great. But what makes his definition the sole correct one?

224 posted on 01/12/2016 3:47:59 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Cboldt
I see the 1790 act as the founders telling us born over seas was not NBC, but naturalization they wanted to include that class at that time. They omitted the NBC language in subsequent acts, not including that class. NBC was defined prior to the act, so they had to add that class.

Washington would not invent a new term and not define it, then send it all over the country if it was not understood.

David Ramsay was that historian and friend of Washington, who took the time to write down a description. Born of citizens on US soil.

Vattel had it written down. It was the book in Independence hall that they used. We can't deny this truth.

If it required a naturalization act to include Cruz, then it required a naturalization act. Is it in our current law?

Everything I read keeps saying the 1790 is a dead letter. Does current law refer to a 1790 immigration act? Why are people saying the 1790 act was rescinded?

225 posted on 01/12/2016 4:43:44 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER
-- Why are people saying the 1790 act was rescinded? --

The 1795 act specifically repealed the 1790 act.

SEC. 4. And be it further enacted, That the Act intituled, "An act to establish an uniform rule of naturalization," passed the twenty-sixth day of March, one thousand seven hundred and ninety, be, and the same is hereby repealed.
Cruz is a citizen by operation of a modern statute. His citizenship depends on the statute, because he was not born a citizen of any state, and he was not born in the US.

The legal authorities say Cruz is a naturalized citizen. The popular authorities obfuscate the law and say Cruz is a natural born citizen.

226 posted on 01/12/2016 4:48:33 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization. A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized,

again...Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization...

Two Citizen parents are subject to the jurisduition of the USA, and no other Country. Thus, their baby born on US soil is a natural born citizen. No need to look at laws created by congress to referee whether a person can apply for naturalized citizenship


227 posted on 01/12/2016 5:43:40 AM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: Yashcheritsiy
I question Mark Levin's impartiality.

I think we can all agree that Mark Levin is a great man and a patriot.  But that doesn't mean he is always correct.

It's silly that this issue has been debated for — what is it — two weeks now?

Cruz is a constitutional scholar.  Why doesn't he hold a press conference and settle this matter once and for all?  

228 posted on 01/12/2016 10:41:22 AM PST by poconopundit (When the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government. Franklin, Const. Conv.)
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