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They're getting bolder, trying another shot at reinterpreting the 2nd Amendment.
1 posted on 12/27/2015 11:49:25 AM PST by PROCON
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ILLINOIS is so gone. Unfortunately, I live there.


2 posted on 12/27/2015 11:52:43 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. - Psalm 33:12)
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To: Lurker

Ping .....


3 posted on 12/27/2015 11:55:00 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: PROCON

“Specifically, there is no indication that the Framers of the Amendment intended to enshrine the common-law right of self-defense in the Constitution.”

Except for the writings of every individual involved with the drafting of the amendment or bill of rights.......


4 posted on 12/27/2015 11:56:54 AM PST by JParris
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To: PROCON

Here is the relevant section of the Constitution of the State of Illinois:
SECTION 22. RIGHT TO ARMS
Subject only to the police power, the right of the
individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed.
(Source: Illinois Constitution.)

I frankly don’t get the clause about being subject only to the police power, though...


5 posted on 12/27/2015 11:57:03 AM PST by Rebel_Ace (HITLER! There, Zero to Godwin in 5.2 seconds.)
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To: PROCON
just make sure you start with chIraq and go house to house and get all the guns from the thugs first...
6 posted on 12/27/2015 11:59:37 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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House Resolution 855 -- would urge "the courts, especially the U.S. Supreme Court, to adhere to the clear wording of the Second Amendment being a right afforded to state sponsored militias and not individuals."

This is what happens when the retards elected other retards. Even the most retarded of retards knows that the BILL OF RIGHTS was written for WE THE PEOPLE, NOT WE THE GOVERNMENT. Geez. The "clear wording" of the Bill of Rights is not rocket science. Why the hell would the Founding Fathers give the government the right to have a militia without the government infringing upon the government's right to have a militia. Stupid bastards.

7 posted on 12/27/2015 12:00:20 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The biggest liars in the liberal media have started referring to themselves as fact checkers. Sad.)
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To: PROCON

Scalia and Kennedy both turn 80 next year. If Hillary gets to replace either one of them then a left wing majority will reverse Heller and decree that the Second Amendment does not mean anything.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.


10 posted on 12/27/2015 12:07:02 PM PST by kennedy (No relation to those other Kennedys.)
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To: PROCON
They're getting bolder, trying another shot at reinterpreting the 2nd Amendment.

Yeah, but its also backfiring on them massively. 185,000 background checks on Black Friday alone. Last I read background checks were up 4% over 2013, which was a record year, and up 6% over 2014.

Them getting their way on this issue is so far out of their reach it's funny. The fact that they refuse to see the causal relationship between their own militant anti-gun advocacy and massive new sales of firearms is even funnier.
11 posted on 12/27/2015 12:11:39 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: PROCON
The amendment states: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". It specifically states "people" and by doing so, it specifically avoids stating that the right of a government controlled organized military organization to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The framer's intent is clear. what's more, this view of their intent is further supported by the many state constitutions that specifically state that the right to keep and bear arms for individual self defense as well as defense of the state is inalienable.

These state constitutions go a step further than the US constitution and specifically state that the military shall always be subservient to the people and the standing armies are to be avoided as they are a "threat to the security of a free state".

As such, it is abundantly clear that the framers did not intend for the right to keep and bear arms to apply only to state and federal government entities and it is even more obvious that they did not intend to deny "the people" the right to keep and bear arms and that they considered a well armed populace the natural and proper bulwark of a free state against any and all forces that would make a state "not free".

It is so obvious that any court that finds otherwise should be considered treasonous and enemy of the constitution itself. Any agents of the government that would attempt to enforce such a treasonous decision should, likewise, be considered treasonous and enemies of the constitution.

12 posted on 12/27/2015 12:12:01 PM PST by RC one (race baiting and demagoguery-if you're a Democrat it's what you do.)
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As any conservative knows, the militia are the people under arms.

"...The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard." (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311)

13 posted on 12/27/2015 12:12:21 PM PST by captain_dave
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I am the militia responsible for defending 4/300,000,000th of the USA.


14 posted on 12/27/2015 12:13:21 PM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the week or the timid. - Ike)
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“state sponsored militias”

If that doesn’t strike fear in the hearts of citizens I don’t know what will.


15 posted on 12/27/2015 12:14:08 PM PST by Organic Panic
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“state sponsored militias”

If that doesn’t strike fear in the hearts of citizens I don’t know what will.


16 posted on 12/27/2015 12:14:08 PM PST by Organic Panic
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The Bill of Rights are ALL individual rights.

And they are inalienable rights.

The moonbats try to over-reach, once again.


19 posted on 12/27/2015 12:18:38 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Just say NO to muslim "immigrants")
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The whole article including JP Stevens are full of bullhockey.Read the writings of the creators and signers of the Constitution to CLEARLY see their intent to protect the citizens with guaranteeing them the right to keep and bear arms. The “militia” were the citizens themselves and the attitude toward a “standing army” proves their position of protecting citizens.
“A Free People ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them which would include their own government.”
George Washington

“When government takes away citizens right to bear arms it becomes the citizens duty to take away government’s right to govern.”
George Washington


24 posted on 12/27/2015 12:25:20 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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I’ve said it before: think this is bad? Just wait until they realize an Article V Convention is inevitable!


25 posted on 12/27/2015 12:28:04 PM PST by dware (Free Survival & Prepper Ebooks: http://www.survivetherockies.com)
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Come and get em boys. Bring lots of body bags.


31 posted on 12/27/2015 12:37:40 PM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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Militia at the time the constitution was penned meant able bodied men.
basically the draft pool.


32 posted on 12/27/2015 12:39:26 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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Well regulated = In good working order.

There were no “Alphabet” Government Departments when the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were written.


40 posted on 12/27/2015 2:14:02 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Obama, unable to call a Spade a Spade...)
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For the umteenth time; Nobody wants to take away your guns.


43 posted on 12/27/2015 2:19:32 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Ready for Teddy, Cruz that is.)
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