SHTF Drop your AK and Pick up a Shotgun

AShooting Journal ^ | 10/27/2015 | M Miller

[McGruff]

It's been so long I forgot what model it is. Probably the 870 Wingmaster. But the full choke barrel is long enough that I could swat ducks with it if I missed the shot. I've seen muskets with shorter barrels.

All kidding aside thanks all for the recommendations. I'm a cheap b*sturd and would rather not by another barrel. Seems alot of peoples weapons end up in the lake. Odd.

[SENTINEL]

I encourage folks to have several of these on hand. They have no peer as a handoff gun in terms of safety, reliability, simplicity, power and affordability. One for each unarmed person you can imagine at your home during an emergency for final protective fire. Carried hammer down it is completely safe for firearms newbies.

The barrel can be easily cut down to a legal 18.25" with a simple tubing cutter.

Secondly, there is no better force multiplier than several of these premounted to cover avenues of approach, exterior doors or interior fatal funnels. Operation by a pair of 550 cords, one to cock, one to fire is a completely safe method. Cord runs work reliably from your interior cover/concealment through house framing to attic or crawlspace through pvc pipe and fittings.

This Rossi 12 Gauge model costs only $159 brand new.

[Nervous Tick]

>> Wanna start a real argument? Start discussing 223 v/s 556. : )

Mini-14 vs. AR is also good popcorn entertainment.

[circlecity]

"...but the moment that I transition to an open area outside of a building, I prefer a rifle/carbine, most any rifle/carbine, to a shotgun."

Roger that. Inside I want my pump shotgun and .357 revolver at the ready. Outside I want a semi-auto 9 mm handgun and a rifle. Preferably a .30 caliber rifle. An AR-10 or M1A will do just fine. Saying one firearm is always better than another in any situation is like saying it's always better to use a wrench than a screwdriver.

[ShadowAce]

AR-12

Do you happen to mean the AA-12??

[ChildOfThe60s]

This illustrates quite well the benefits of simple and reliable for a civilian in caught in SHTF.

For those that are impatient, go to about minute 3:00 and watch him strip and reassemble the AK in the snow with gloves on. For a guy like me that is a lot more important than that slightly tighter grouping at 100 yards.

Tribute to Mikhail Kalashnikov and the AK-47:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IndgJBheS5s

[Paladin2]

The Stereo pair seem to work well.

[OldSmaj]

I want one of those soooo bad.

Oh, they are loverly!

Goggle 'em up...there are so many variations available, all kinds of stocks, multiple calibers, 10, 20 30 round mags, even a drum!

Some variations can be pricey, but you can find something in there that works and fits for a pretty good price.

[MHGinTN]

Seems there is always some self-appointed expert in weaponry who will spout off on what he knows so little about ... congratulations, you’re it!

[sockmonkey]

** Does a Saiga qualify as both? **
Yes, And I would prefer that to a pump shotgun.

[MHGinTN]

Buy some slugs, Foster slugs. Buy some slugs for you 12 gauge ... and stop with the silly mischaraterizations. And serious home defense shotgun should be shot for patterning, to know what the particular gun will do with particular rounds fed to it, 12 or 20 gauge.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

there are so many variations available

I fell in love with a Ruger Mini-14 Tactical in RI...collapsible stock, ghost ring sight, flash suppressor, 20 round magazine, .223 and 5.56 capable. All for $650.

But alas, all but the optics are illegal in MA. No FFL would do the transfer. Oh well. I'll just have to move out of MA.

[bobby.223]

At least one poster on this thread knows the score about the long ago debunked ‘rack and scare’ baloney. Besides a possible jam that will happen when no one EVER wants one, (and jams do/can/will happen), it also gives your position away. I can’t believe that there are still folks who buy into that garbage.

[wbarmy]

I did not know that. I will look into it at the soonest possible opportunity. (After some research)

[wbarmy]

I did not know that. I will look into it at the soonest possible opportunity. (After some research)

[Georgia Girl 2]

We have both because you just never know. :-)

[Tijeras_Slim]

Most .410 shotguns will ALSO shoot 45 cal bullets too (i think)

I wouldn't do that. The constriction on a .410 shotgun can be down to .396 depending on choke. To force a .452 bullet through it is asking for problems. Also .45 Colt loads are in the 15,000 psi range, and .410 shotshells usually run less than 11,000.

[Tijeras_Slim]

See my #77

[MileHi]

You can find some really bad advice on these threads.

[circlecity]

"Stevens has a 320 Ghost Ring 12 ga. Security pump at Dick’s for $199.00 this week."

Dicks has been having some pretty good sales lately. Just this week my local Dicks had boxes of 20 count Remington core-lockt .308 ammo for $14 a box. That's 5 bucks cheaper than wal mart.