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Whether this was fired by a Russian, obviously it was some kind of screw up.

Russkies were routinely (and still are) shelling their own cities and blaming it on the Ukrainian, even despite taking photos of themselves aiming their guns towards their own cities. Why would they blush to take down an airliner?

Here is Ukrainian intelligence on the subject:

"During the investigation of Malaysia Airlines Boeing-777 downing the law enforcement and intelligence bodies established that terrorists and militants have cynically planned the terrorist attack at Aeroflot civil aircraft, AFL-2074 Moscow-Larnaca, which was flying over the territory of Ukraine at that moment. Hereof informed the Head of the Security Service of Ukraine Mr. Valentyn Nalyvaichenko during the briefing today. He underlined – the crime was planned as a ground for bringing of Russian troops into Ukraine, that is – CASUS BELLI for the Russian military invasion."

http://www.sbu.gov.ua/sbu/control/en/publish/article?art_id=129860&cat_id=35317

eah, Russia is lying, but what they are doing in Syria is redemption for them.

The Russkies are doing the same thing! They're bombing hospitals and schools, then cynically pointing to the United States as "doing it too." Meanwhile, the Russkies slowly but surely bring control over more oil pipelines and secure their allies Assad and the Mullahs of Iran.

I believe russians are incompetent, not stupid.

Putin is playing American right wing dissidents of various stripes in the same manner that Lenin and Stalin played the American left. The conservative establishment has, since the salad days of William Buckley, purged dissidents. When the movement produced a Reagan and allied themselves with the Christian Right to continue electoral successes at the Congressional and state levels in the 1990s, it had the support of the conservative rank and file. The turning point occurred after the turn of this century, when the conservative establishment signed onto the no-win, prolonged wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and promoted the Bushes, McCain, and Romney. Additionally, the Christian Right leadership aged, retiring or dying before promoting new leaders. With that group weakened, the secular humanists and cultural Marxists got their cultural revolution back on track. The conservative establishment did precious little in way of resistance, As a result, the Heritage Foundation, National Review and similar publications, and the conservative radio talkers lost their grip on the 20-30 per cent of Americans who call themselves conservatives.

The factions once marginalized by Buckley were now empowered by the rise of the Internet and social media. The American Conservative, Infowars, and Lew Rockwell successfully compete with the web sites for National Review and Human Events. The paleoconservative, libertarian, and conspiracist websites are hostile to both the left of center Democrats and right of center Republicans, seeing both as twin evils. The Limbaughs and Bennetts of the world, who will defend moderate to slightly conservative alternatives to liberals, are losing ground. If you doubt this, look at the massive support of Donald Trump, with zero conservative credentials, in spite of the overall hostility of the conservative establishment, as exemplified by Fox News, pundits like George Will and Charles Krauthammer, and the GOP leadership.

Now you have an ex-KGB colonel who has risen to become the Russian dictator. He is facing the weakest American President ever, accompanied by the most important European leader, Angela Merkel, who appears dedicated to eliminating Germany as a nation through mass immigration, and a Pope who is, to put it kindly, a Christian socialist. The polar opposites to Reagan, Thatcher, and John Paul II. The way to winning support among disgruntled Americans and Western Europeans is to pose as the champion of Christianity and traditional values. Suppressing sexual perverts at home, which the atheistic regimes of Stalin and Castro did, defending Christians in the Middle East, a matter that did not trouble the younger Bush or Obama, and effectively fighting Muslim terrorists, in stark contrast to Obama's ineffectual efforts, will win lots of favor with non-liberal dissidents.

As French rightists once said, better Hitler than Blum, American and Western European rightists may today say, better Putin than Obama or Merkel.

In the longer term, Russia may gain an alliance with Syria, Iraq, and Iran that may force our regional allies like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel to come to terms with the new reality in the Middle East. With relatively little risk, the Russians may become the dominant player in the world's energy markets with its new allies. For the first time since the mid-19th Century, the West will have lost its influence in this region of the world. Then Putin or his successor may turn his eyes on re-establishing the Soviet Union in fact if not in name. RIP, Ukraine and the Baltic States, even Poland.

Putin is playing American right wing dissidents of various stripes in the same manner that Lenin and Stalin played the American left. The conservative establishment has, since the salad days of William Buckley, purged dissidents. When the movement produced a Reagan and allied themselves with the Christian Right to continue electoral successes at the Congressional and state levels in the 1990s, it had the support of the conservative rank and file. The turning point occurred after the turn of this century, when the conservative establishment signed onto the no-win, prolonged wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and promoted the Bushes, McCain, and Romney. Additionally, the Christian Right leadership aged, retiring or dying before promoting new leaders. With that group weakened, the secular humanists and cultural Marxists got their cultural revolution back on track. The conservative establishment did precious little in way of resistance, As a result, the Heritage Foundation, National Review and similar publications, and the conservative radio talkers lost their grip on the 20-30 per cent of Americans who call themselves conservatives.

The factions once marginalized by Buckley were now empowered by the rise of the Internet and social media. The American Conservative, Infowars, and Lew Rockwell successfully compete with the web sites for National Review and Human Events. The paleoconservative, libertarian, and conspiracist websites are hostile to both the left of center Democrats and right of center Republicans, seeing both as twin evils. The Limbaughs and Bennetts of the world, who will defend moderate to slightly conservative alternatives to liberals, are losing ground. If you doubt this, look at the massive support of Donald Trump, with zero conservative credentials, in spite of the overall hostility of the conservative establishment, as exemplified by Fox News, pundits like George Will and Charles Krauthammer, and the GOP leadership.

Now you have an ex-KGB colonel who has risen to become the Russian dictator. He is facing the weakest American President ever, accompanied by the most important European leader, Angela Merkel, who appears dedicated to eliminating Germany as a nation through mass immigration, and a Pope who is, to put it kindly, a Christian socialist. The polar opposites to Reagan, Thatcher, and John Paul II. The way to winning support among disgruntled Americans and Western Europeans is to pose as the champion of Christianity and traditional values. Suppressing sexual perverts at home, which the atheistic regimes of Stalin and Castro did, defending Christians in the Middle East, a matter that did not trouble the younger Bush or Obama, and effectively fighting Muslim terrorists, in stark contrast to Obama's ineffectual efforts, will win lots of favor with non-liberal dissidents.

As French rightists once said, better Hitler than Blum, American and Western European rightists may today say, better Putin than Obama or Merkel.

In the longer term, Russia may gain an alliance with Syria, Iraq, and Iran that may force our regional allies like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel to come to terms with the new reality in the Middle East. With relatively little risk, the Russians may become the dominant player in the world's energy markets with its new allies. For the first time since the mid-19th Century, the West will have lost its influence in this region of the world. Then Putin or his successor may turn his eyes on re-establishing the Soviet Union in fact if not in name. RIP, Ukraine and the Baltic States, even Poland.