Posted on 07/11/2015 9:54:21 AM PDT by golux
I make regular pilgrimages to cemmeteries where my ancestors are buried. We place Battle Flags, or First National Flags on the graves. My grown sons started when they could hardly walk, and they know the names, the places, the units, and the courage their ancestors had. They also know the real history of the War of Northern Aggression.
Dixie is in our hearts, and Yankees, Progressives, and the ignorant will never be able to “take that down.”
The crime of the secessionists was to think that they could strip away every Constitutional right of every U.S. citizen living in Southern states and to think that they could strip such citizens of their U.S. citizenship. I have no power to deprive any U.S. citizen of his constitutional rights or citizenship. There should have been some hangings to clarify things, but Lincoln was a softy.
And, the truth is, there are very few people in the South or anywhere who now miss the days of slavery. Slavery is gone forever and it's not coming back.
When you rebut, you ought to post links to your source. I don't know how many Union Slave holders there were, but I know there were five Union Slave states where slaves were held.
Sounds to me your quibble is like that old joke.
"We've already determined what kind of girl you are, now we're just negotiating over the price."
From a moral perspective, do you really think the difference between 80,000 and 300,000 is significant? If the "Victor Version" of history were correct, the number should be ZERO!
Sounds fine — with the current will of the people, not as an affirmation of Dixiecrat dominance.
In all the brouhaha over SC, hardly anyone realizes that it was Dixiecrats that put this flag up at that particular location, during a time when they hated black people... and notice, that Democrats STILL hate black people, it’s now through AA and welfare bribery, the soft bigotry of low expectations.
But the great lie is that the Union was fighting to end slavery, when in fact it was not. Ignoring the Southern reasons for wanting independence, what were the legitimate Union reasons for stopping it?
All the original 13 colonies were slave states too. The British offered freedom to any slave who would join them in the fight to stop US Independence. For some reason, none of the Colonies get considered to be "the bad guys."
He does go too far in his claims.
This is quite an issue we’ve got going here.
I have no Confederate ancestors. I don’t have any ancestors who were fighting the Confederates.
All I see is people ripping open an old wound to make political gain from it.
The war was about money.
Show me one instance of where someone brought a slave from Africa just to torture and kill him. Didn’t happen. They were used to make money. In some ways, that is more cruel than just bringing them here to beat them. In other ways, the slaves had a better life than what they left in Africa.
Were the people on the Union side strictly interested in making a better life for the slaves? Some were. Many were fearful that more slaves would mean lower wages for them. That is not so magnanimous. That is about money.
I have a neighbor who flies a Canadian flag along with The Stars And Stripes. Those Canadians came down and burned our White House. We eventually chased them back to Canada, but what purpose would I have to make him take down that flag? I can live with that.
Why has this issue come to the forefront? Have the Americans of African descent been really worried about this? Or is this just about scoring political points?
I could care less about Democrats scoring political points.
There is so much wrong with this screed - I’m embarrassed for those FReepers who fall for it.
I assume you are familiar with the term "ex post facto"?
The Union was NOT fighting to abolish slavery, they were going to let it continue just as before.
You are trying to apply an ex post facto justification for the Union going to war when they had no intention of stopping slavery.
An intellectually honest man would admit the Union didn't invade to stamp out slavery, and that they fully intended to do nothing about it when the war started.
So let's say the South did secede to preserve slavery. The Union didn't care about slavery! They cared about preventing Independence. They would have kept slavery if the Southern states would just give up on the idea of independence, so the real sticking point over the war was Independence, and nothing else.
How about a little moral disgust directed at the people who lied after the fact about why they fought?
I think you kicked his @$$. You’ve obviously done your homework.
Many people do, and I don't have a problem with that. But articles like this, as filled as it is with half-truths, un-truths, and complete lies, does the Confederate cause no service.
You just prefer to hear the northern side?
Yes, I read Chuck's article. So then whose slaves did Lee free in 1862 if not his own? And where is the evidence that Grant owned a single slave past 1859?
Can't be. Chuck said that it was "deovindickia". Are you suggesting that Baldwin's article was wrong?
Not under British law, but the Declaration of Independence cites God and "natural law" as it's authority. Presumably having accepted "God" and "Natural Law" as the authority in matters of Independence, it would have continued to respect those authorities when others wanted to do the same thing.
The U.S. was much more lenient with the "secessionists."
Given that the Union was the Morally wrong side, and that the Secessionists did nothing more than what was their right as espoused by the Founding Document, not hanging people who were thwarted from exercising their rights is the least they could do.
The crime of the secessionists was to think that they could strip away every Constitutional right of every U.S. citizen living in Southern states and to think that they could strip such citizens of their U.S. citizenship.
You should read the Confederate Constitution. Most of it is very nearly a copy of the US Constitution. Much verbiage is completely lifted from the US Constitution. It also incorporates the bill of rights.
Now what rights are you saying citizens are being striped of? Did you have as much Sympathy for British Loyalists during the US War of Independence?
And, the truth is, there are very few people in the South or anywhere who now miss the days of slavery. Slavery is gone forever and it's not coming back.
Not true at all. Look around you. We work, while Washington D.C. collects the fruits of our labor. The Civil war didn't abolish slavery, it just modified the demographics of it.
We are all slaves now. Sure the chains are more gilded, but do not mistake the fact that you have masters.
Yeah, especially all those historical quotes. Those people never said those things. It's all a lie. :)
There you go again - “arguing” exactly like a leftist.
They were his father-in-law's slaves. In his will, George Washington Parke Custis stipulated that all the Arlington slaves should be freed upon his death if the estate was found to be in good financial standing or within five years otherwise. However, upon his death Custis left a good number of debts that still needed to be paid off, which resulted in the slaves not being freed immediately per the will. This was done in order to pay off his father-in-law's debts, not out of a desire to own slaves. In a letter to President Pierce, Lee wrote that "There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil."
You are correct that Grant freed the slave that was under his name in 1859. However the family owned four others under his wife's name, although Grant himself was responsible for supervising them. That being said, of course, in that day and age, meant Grant was in control of them. These slaves were not freed until 1865 when Missouri officially abolished slavery.
No it appears you are the one arguing like a leftist. When presented with quotes you plug your ears and "nya nya nya not going to listen to a thing that challenges my views."
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