First off I don’t care how the guy was ordained. I don’t care if he preached that his Harley’s engine was God himself. I do know he had no criminal background. Neither did a lot of those arrested.
The meeting was to discuss politics, and motorcycle safety. The two go hand in hand. It was interrupted by a group, not invited because of past actions.
Just because a person rides a Harley, and wears colors does not make them a criminal.
Ever carry a pocket knife? I have my whole life. A Buck Knife with a 5” blade. There’s what a ton of these guys were arrested for. A few of us might be carrying guns as well. Being that I have my CC permit and actively carry a gun, in public places I guess also makes me a criminal. So please make sure and contact the ATF and let them know to get a swat team together for the next time I get together with a few friends and somebody throws a punch. I should also expect a $1,000,000 bond, and be left in a jail cell for almost a month, with no access to an attorney.
Who did fire the shots? If it was bikers you don’t think they would be hiding the autopsy reports do you? Really?
I guess the Feds must be glad to know there are people who will bow down to what ever story they and the media cook up.
I only know what I’ve read, and what I’ve heard from sources close to the incident, but if you don’t think the police story stinks from the head like a dead fish, your kidding yourself.
The Jack-Booted Thugs from the federal government thank you soundly for your support.
Very sad to say that I know fellow conservatives who in their hearts, believe the narrative. They've internalized it and consider alternatives to be tin-foil. It's a sledgehammer alternative in any case -- a very hard truth to accept about America's new rules. Hard as a rock. Truth is like that, and people avoid it sometimes.
They see it with the reassuring narrative and know themselves that really bad biker human trafficking extorting kidnapping thieving meth-peddling slime criminals do in reality exist (they do, in tiny numbers comparatively).
Besides, the idea that the rules of play have become so perverted as to allow more than 150 law-abiding people of no criminal record have lives broken and a felony arrest on record -- that such a crazy thing could happen with America watching -- well, that's just crazy. A lot of conservatives think the narrative isn't crazy, so it must be the other.
I'm afraid Waco was a pretty good success. At least they didn't provoke the folks arrested into rioting in the "secure facilities." Thank God they kept cool heads.
So from my POV, it was a new-age 4th of July, yesterday, whether folks realize it or not, the gauntlet's down. Driving across cityscape right at the fireworks hour last night, I saw more blasts of sparkling confetti fireworks than I've seen in many long years. It was almost eery.
“Who did fire the shots?”
Everyone says the bikers fired first.
If you read what you wrote you will see it is you that brought up the ‘ordained minister’ excuse. Now you trying to run away from that fanciful drift?
Where are you getting your information? Sounds like don’t0’s fiction.
You, me and anyone else with a CHL will be arrested on SUSPICION if we happen to be at a shooting where 9 were killed and 20+ wounded. You naively think Conceal Carry is Get Out of Jail Free card?
Why would you think the WPD or Da’s office is obligated to release any information on an ongoing investigation?
Most of those arrested have been released without charges, bond reduced and released charged or are unable to make bond. Give one name of someone not yet released and not charged.
I have no issue with defending non-criminal’s Constitutional Rights. I do have a big problem with some here making unsubstantiated claims of Rights being denied, but seem to never have any specifics on the Rights denied.
I have a big problem with (apparent) law abiding conservatives here trying to use dis-information and false Constitutional claims to give cover and excuses for criminals that routinely deny everyone else their Constitutional Rights to not be terrorized, intimidated, endangered in public, murdered, or have blatant drug dealing and prostitution in their communities.
Anyone here or elsewhere that excuses or give cover to anyone who participated, in any degree, with the Waco shootout, are fools, and foolishly bring disdain and a bad reputation to this important conservative forum. I do not suffer fools well!