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Open Letter From a Conservative to the LGBT Community
Dignitas News Service ^ | April 3, 2015 | Paul M Winters

Posted on 04/04/2015 9:56:31 AM PDT by dignitasnews

The past two weeks have once again seen America devolve into divisive and unproductive squabbling over the issue of gay marriage, specifically involving the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). While much of the rhetoric flying back and forth from both sides has been unproductive and, as are most debates of our modern era, filled with hyperbolic rhetoric designed to speak to our relative choirs, rather than to bring us all to a better understanding and domestic tranquility. Although the effort may prove unfruitful, in the ever-hopeful spirit of provoking thought and breaking down barriers, this conservative directs this open letter to the LGBT community.

While self-evident, I feel it only fair to express that I hold no pretensions that I speak for all of conservative Americans and hardly consider myself an expert on issues important to the gay community. I present myself merely as a conservative activist, with a passionate belief that limited government is not only the best course action for the life of myself and my family, but for every single American, black or white, gay or straight, rich or poor. It would also be fair to forewarn you that this letter will be filled with reproach toward the LGBT Progressive political wing.

The events in both Indiana and Arkansas are regrettable on many levels, first and foremost that they were even necessary in the first place. The body politic is never served when events lead us to the point where legislation must be drafted to reiterate what the Constitution provides us in the first place.  The actions in the two states and the resulting national firestorm reflects a complete breakdown of rational conversation and debate and it is on this level that I am cast my first stone at the gay community, for I can say with some level of certainty this is a debate conservatives have been more than willing to engage in.

This is not say that there are not rational and reasonable gay Americans who relish lively and thought-provoking conversation with those who may not necessarily agree with them. While I wont patronize you with the "some of my best friends are gay" line, throughout my life and career I have known, personally and professionally, members of the LGBT community and have made some very dear friends from this group, as well as come across some I have an utter distaste for, just as with every group with this wonderfully diverse nation of ours. But individuals don't speak for groups, particularly those who have acquiesced their cultural and political destiny to the Progressive-left, and it precisely that this ilk does claim to speak for the gay community that we find ourselves at this stage. Gay Americans have given liberals the reigns in their campaign for gay marriage and (I presume) a greater level of overall tolerance and acceptance from the American public at large. While they have been fairly successful in making gains on the former, they have been woefully inadequate on the latter and I submit leading the LGBT community down a path they may come to one day regret.

Let us begin with a simple truth....YOU LIED TO US! One of the more compelling arguments made by gay-marriage advocates was that this cultural shift would in no way, shape or form impact the lives of anyone but the couple involved in that union. Having been victorious in legislating gay marriage in more than 30 states, that promise was immediately broken when radical forces within the LGBT community purposely set out to target merchants they knew to have religious objections to these ceremonies, and used the muscle of the courts and sympathetic liberal judges to force compulsory participation.  In addition to the justifiable feeling of people of faith that their First Amendment rights are being threatened, one should not disregard the personal feeling of having been duped in the Newtonian-backlash that is the RFRA. At the heart of the current battle is the right of merchants to enter into specialized contract work with clientele of their choosing. While Progressives like to pretend, the legislation brought forth in Indiana, Arkansas and previously in Arizona did not just pop up out of the blue, as a pro-active conservative attack against gay Americans. No, this was rather a reaction to what many feel is an over-reach by the LGBT Left which not only threatens religious liberty, but also provides government yet another weapon in their desire to regulate commerce and dictate how business, particularly small business, operates in this country. And as noted, you looked us directly in the eyes and lied right to our face.

Nearly all conservatives in this country would respect a gay bakers right to refuse to do a cake with an anti-gay marriage inscription on it. We would furthermore respect a gay-owned PR Firm who declined to accept the Westboro Church as a client. To utilize one's unique talents and energies in the conduct of one's professional business not only defines the quality and work of that merchant, but it should be their right to develop their own client base, for whatever reason. Now, to deny basic service, such as the baker refusing to sell a cup-cake or pre-produced white sheet cake does open the door up for charges of discrimination, but in not one instance raised by LGBT activists has this been the case.

While the argument of religious freedom and expression is indeed an important one, this is not the only question facing this country in the current debate over gay wedding cakes or floral arrangements. In addition to the aforementioned cases, could not the CEO of a company involved in fracking claim discrimination if a photographer who was sympathetic to the environmental lobby refused to work his daughter's wedding? While we as a nation work to ensure that the rights of consumers are protected, is this to say that we will force businesses to abandon any and all principles they hold dear when they apply for a business licence?

To members of the LGBT community, I ask of you to consider your feelings if a Christian group sought out a small and struggling printing company (owned by a gay man) and requested a 60-foot banner with anti-gay slogans and a reference to a Bible verse. Many of you would understandably feel sympathy toward the business owner if they refused to take on this contract. Now consider if this well-funded group filed a law suit, brought in a team of expert lawyers to try this gay man in court, thus causing him to lose precious time from his business and considerable expense in his defense. I suspect many of you would be outraged and ask yourselves why the Christian group in question simply did not find another printer to produce their banner. And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. In an example of commendable consistency, gay entertainer RuPaul was perfectly succinct in comments on the subject made on Twitter:

]LGBT via @RuPaul Twitter account

I personally do not feel that someone should be ostracized or ridiculed because of their sexual practices. That said, I also feel strongly that this consequence does not alleviate you from the same social responsibilities we all have. As citizens of a large and diverse society, we are expected to uphold the principles of tolerance and pluralism. We are furthermore expected to have the understanding that ours are not the only feelings that matter in our society, and that simply because we feel strongly about an issue, does not mean that there cannot be an equally valid opinion that conflicts with ours. On these points, I must hold the LGBT community grossly responsible for disregarding. One cannot make a moral claim to fighting for tolerance while practicing it with impunity.

I would add to this that it's not only disingenuous, but rather insensitive, to constantly compare the plight of the gay community with the historic experiences of African-Americans in this country. Having to drive across town to find another baker is hardly comparable to being forced into slavery against one's will, or forced segregation. While this is a topic for another time, I'm sorry but you tend to lose sympathy when your "leaders" go down that path, for sexuality is not race. Furthermore, the insensate usage of terms like "victim" and "equality" are nothing but childish hyperbole when they replace intellectual debate. If the gay community desires to be treated with sensitivity and respect, it must also afford this to the country as a whole, and respect the feelings of others. In addition, the gay political leadership tends to focus their rage (and dare I say "hate") on white, Christian conservatives, failing to recognize that not only is disagreement with gay marriage higher by percentage in black and Latino communities than among the white community, in this very diverse country, there are many different people and faiths that feel their right to religious expression is being trampled by the latest tactic of compulsory participation.

StevenCrowder_viaYouTubeHIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries?

I would assume that in the long run, the goals of most gay Americans are that of better understanding, a higher level of tolerance and ultimately acceptance as individuals and the unrestricted right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The current path taken by your political leadership is one counter-productive to this goal, in my opinion. Like all aspects of the Progressive-left. they covet and are empowered by division. One could argue that all the tangible goals of the gay marriage movement could have already been achieved in all 50 states, more than a decade ago, had the debate and campaign taken a slightly different course of amending civil union laws. And let us not forget that in those early days of this debate, when at first gays made the (equally compelling) argument that all that was desired was a mechanism to provide all the tangible benefits of marriage (taxation, probate, visitation, etc.) but when conservatives and others suggested amending civil union laws to bridge these shortcomings, this was roundly rejected, and it was demanded that society strip away the unique distinction traditional marriage had among all human relationships, and liken it to not only gay marriage but that of straight couples simply living together in a common law aspect. Once again the gay left chose a different path and while it is without argument they have had successes, one could argue that gay Americans face an increased level of scrutiny, ridicule and derision, and much of this has nothing to do with white, conservative Christians.

As I pen this open letter to the LGBT community, this conservative Christian wants to make it clear that I hold no personal ill-will toward you simply due to your personal life choices or sexual preferences. I will say that the actions of your so-called "leadership" makes me examine more closely some of the more benign goals of your community and overall has caused me to have less sympathy for your plight. I do not believe I am alone. At the end of the day, however, I look forward to the day we can all deal with one another as American individuals and I can look upon a gay person and say, "oh, so you're gay, anyway how do you feel about current taxation rates?" But before this can take place, a level of maturity that does not currently exist in the gay community must be achieved. Nobody gets to bake their cake (or rather force somebody else to bake it for you) and eat it too.

Opinion by Paul M Winters Managing Editor, Dignitas News Service

Sources:

Twitter StevenCrowder_viaYouTube


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; lgbt; rfra

1 posted on 04/04/2015 9:56:31 AM PDT by dignitasnews
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To: dignitasnews
I personally do not feel that someone should be ostracized or ridiculed because of their sexual practices.

I have no problem with it, especially the ostracism part. The essence of being an American is the freedom of association. When some attempt to crush my rights they had better expect ridicule as the least of their worries.

2 posted on 04/04/2015 10:07:10 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

Agreed. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. A certain level of comeuppance is due, I believe.


3 posted on 04/04/2015 10:08:19 AM PDT by dignitasnews
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To: dignitasnews

Completely misses the point...


4 posted on 04/04/2015 10:15:45 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: dignitasnews

When Orwell wrote “Nineteen Eight Four” (in 1949) he did not have to go to such great lengths to explain why thoughtcrime and groupthink were horrors.

The Rabbit Hole seems to be a bottomless pit.


5 posted on 04/04/2015 10:24:53 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: dignitasnews
I personally do not feel that someone should be ostracized or ridiculed because of their sexual practices.

I disagree. People should have the right to express themselves freely.
For example. A goat in heat will "stand" for sex. If a farmer wants sex with that goat and the feeling is mutual, do we have to remain silent if we see it or can we express our disgust freely?
To go on, what if this farmer feels he loves his goat as he would a woman. Should he not have the right to marry the goat he loves? If not, why not?
The argument would be that animals and people are unnatural, but so is man with man. The argument may be it's bad because it interferes with procreation, but homosexuals can't procreate either.

So, can we express ourselves freely if we witness something we see as disgusting and unnatural, or do we all agree we must remain silent when the farmer has sex with the goat and demands the Constitutional right to marry that the goat? After all, who are we to decide who people can love, right?

6 posted on 04/04/2015 10:25:33 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Dutchboy88
Completely misses the point...

Yep. The farmer having sex with his goat not only DEMANDS we consider him normal and denies us a right to disagree, he DEMANDS a right to marry the goat. He also DEMANDS we teach goat sex to Americas children in the public schools. He DEMANDS goat sex sensitivity class in the work place. He DEMANDS laws that punish others for not fulfilling his demands! Then, as icing on the cake.....he DEMANDS the Godly make him a goat sex "wedding" cake, and if you refuse, you'll be thrown behind bars and your family will lose everything they've ever worked.

You obey the goat sex farmer....OR ELSE!!!!

The goat sex farmer, BTW, according to the MSM and the democrat party, is exercising his Constitutional rights to control the physical, mental, and spiritual life of every one else, and the rest of us need to show a little more tolerance and diversity. "Because goat sex farmers are just like you."

7 posted on 04/04/2015 11:06:56 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

Therein lies the problem. The author longs for the day that he can just have nice visit with the homosexual. Really? To imply to the practicing homosexual that his error is just as acceptable as my exaggerations is to ignore the “death” caused by his activities. I get it that my sin is wrong, but the practicing adulterer, the practicing kleptomaniac, or the pathological liar should never be told that since we all sin, their activities are just as valuable and promotable as honesty, or kindness, or heterosexual marriage. We don’t have kill them, but we sure should not have to revere them...publicly or privately.


8 posted on 04/04/2015 11:23:41 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: dignitasnews

Well said. It’s a pity that we are now long past the time for reasoned debate. That ship hath sailed.

It may take a while for the other shoe to drop, but drop it will. And the neither side will like it at all.


9 posted on 04/04/2015 11:37:14 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: rockrr

>>I have no problem with it.

Healthy individuals have healthy instinctive common sense.

It’s common sense not to eat food that smells rotten.

Likewise it’s common sense to recognize the cancerous nature inherent in the progressive transhumanist/postgenderist agenda.

Desensitization of common sense has consequences — which of course is why the Demoralization of America was a strategic objective for the KGB (who quaintly began as the Oprichni Secret Police of the Russian Orthodox State-establishment).

And now, who should emerge onto the stage, playing the part the vanguard of Conservatism - but the KGB’s very own Vlad Putin.

As noted in Friedrich Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”, the role of such theatrics in engineering human culture is nothing new.


10 posted on 04/04/2015 12:23:51 PM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionaly blank.)
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To: concerned about politics

>>The argument would be that animals and people are unnatural, but so is man with man.

That’s a self-evident Natural truth whose pursuit would be better service in the domain of Science, instead of under dominion of humanly concocted religious dogma.

If folks insist on using religious dogmatic “logic” to decide the issue of homosexual morality, the progressives will simply, and ARE simply, create a religious dogma of their own in which Christ PERMITS perversion instead of just FORGIVING it.

Nature selected HETEROsexual procreation for humans; and that is the secular, natural, self-evident Truth.


11 posted on 04/04/2015 12:31:47 PM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionaly blank.)
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To: HLPhat
That’s a self-evident Natural truth whose pursuit would be better service in the domain of Science

Words have been used to mask what homosexuals are. Pretty words like "gay/love." We should "tolerate/be diverse/understand."
People have forgotten what homosexuals are DOING. Their behavior is ripe for disease and plague. If you spend too much time playing and feeding in the sewer, you're going to get sick - and make others sick as well. Their over use of antibiotics alone because of their behavior should send chills down the spine of every American.
Where did the incurable plague referred to as AIDs come from? How did it spread? What will their next plague be, and will it harm the innocent heterosexual people who happen to be nearby, or going to the same school, or working in the same place?

Another plague is coming. A bigger, better, stronger plague than before. AIDs was natures warning. They ignored it.

12 posted on 04/04/2015 12:45:25 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics
>>People have forgotten what homosexuals are DOING.

People have been desensitized to what homosexuals are DOING; and that was strategically DELIBERATE:

"According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.
 
It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages.
 
The first stage being "demoralization".
 
It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy. In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generation of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism.
 
Most of the activity of the department [KGB] was to compile huge amount / volume of information, on individuals who were instrumental in creating public opinion.  Publisher, editors, journalists, uh actors, educationalists, professors of political science.  Members of parliament, representatives of business circles. 
 
Most of these people were divided roughly into two groups:  those who would tow the Soviet foreign policy, they would be promoted to positions of power through media and public manipulation;  [and] those who refuse the Soviet influence in their own country would be character assassinated OR executed physically, come Revolution.  "
 
--KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov
--Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2095202/posts
 
Is it just a coincidence that the theatrical vanguard of conservatism is now the KGB's Vlad Putin?

And just a coincidence that the KGB/GRU/FSB began its incarnation as the Oprichni secret police of the Russian Orthodox state-establishment where folks sadly joked "There is no god but the Tzar"?

The state-established progressive sheeple herders know EXACTLY the nature of what they're DOING. 

13 posted on 04/04/2015 1:00:07 PM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionaly blank.)
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To: dignitasnews
Isn't it ironic that all of this venom is being heaped on a young, naïve pizza shop owner in rural Indiana who was sandbagged by a leftist media troll, while we're not even discussing the Westboro Baptist Church freaks, who really have said and done vile things regarding religion and gays.

I guess someone in the media figured out that Phelps and his minions are Democrats, so now the 'God Hates Fags' crew gets a pass.

14 posted on 04/04/2015 1:11:06 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a' white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: concerned about politics
people who happen to be nearby, or going to the same school, or working in the same place..

..or, living in the same cities whilst worshiping the same "created things"?

"The world’s first city developed around its temples, and only later did palaces play a role. Its view of the world was conditioned, as in all ancient societies, by totalitarian religious belief. So the picture that comes into focus is that of a theocratic command economy, hierarchically organized, centrally directed, and regulated according to an ideology propagated by a priesthood, playing the role that, 5,000 years later, Soviet Marxists would call ‘the engineers of human souls’. Such was temple rule. As a way of life, the economic and social system the priesthood supported was, for a long time, strikingly successful.

Kriwaczek, Paul (2012-03-27). Babylon: Mesopotamia and the Birth of Civilization (p. 53). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.

Rom 1:25-26

25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over...

NIV

15 posted on 04/04/2015 1:39:27 PM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionaly blank.)
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To: dignitasnews
"While much of the rhetoric flying back and forth from both sides has been unproductive..."

This is where I stopped reading and started retching. This numbskull thinks that religious freedom is just unproductive "rhetoric?" He is part of the enemy.

16 posted on 04/04/2015 2:42:45 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: Dutchboy88
Since the publication name is in Latin, can I assume that it is a Catholic site?

Explains a lot.

17 posted on 04/04/2015 2:44:03 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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