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Does LEOSA apply to Irish Officers?
Gun Watch ^ | 2 February, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 02/03/2015 4:46:26 AM PST by marktwain


At about 5:40 a.m. on Tuesday, the 27th of January, a vacationing police officer from Limerick, Ireland, was shot during an armed robbery in New Orleans.  Ireland has a low crime rate, much like most areas in the United States outside of the urban cores.   New Orleans' crime rate is much higher than most of the rest of the United States, so Hanrahan may be forgiven his apparent naiveté in the situation.  

Hanrahan met a man who said he knew where they could get a drink at that time of the morning.  He went with a man he did not know, to an unknown destination, and stopped along the way to take $200 out of an ATM machine.  From nola.com:

Stopping first at an ATM, where Hanrahan withdrew $200, the pair walked to the 2200 block of New Orleans Street. There, according to police, a second man approached Hanrahan and demanded he hand over cash. When Hanrahan refused, police said the man produced a gun and shot Hanrahan twice. The two suspects rifled through Hanrahan's pockets and took the $200 before running from the area, police said.
A vacationing American police officer would have been able to be legally armed in that situation, under the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA).  

Would the Irish police officer who was shot have been covered under LEOSA as well?   The law is not entirely clear, and has never been tested in court on the subject.  The law applies to a "qualified law enforcement officer".  In the original version of the law, the standards were these:
`(c) As used in this section, the term `qualified law enforcement officer' means an employee of a governmental agency who--

`(1) is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the incarceration of any person for, any violation of law, and has statutory powers of arrest;

`(2) is authorized by the agency to carry a firearm;

`(3) is not the subject of any disciplinary action by the agency;

`(4) meets standards, if any, established by the agency which require the employee to regularly qualify in the use of a firearm;

`(5) is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance; and

`(6) is not prohibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm.
The above definition does not say that the agency has to be a U.S. governmental agency, and courts have ruled in favor of a broad interpretation of the definition.  In 2007, two different courts held that Coast Guard boarding officers were covered under the law.    One of them, Reserve Petty Officer Jose Diaz, won a settlement of $44,000 from the City of San Fernando, California for false arrest.   LEOSA has been amended twice, in 2010 and in 2013, both acts broadening the definitions of people who are explicitly covered by the law.  The amendment in 2013 changed (1) above to this:
(1) is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the incarceration of any person for, any violation of law, and has statutory powers of arrest, or apprehension under section 807(b) of title 10, United States Code (article 7(b) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice);
It is clear that the last phrase was added to the list of possible qualifications, and does not require those previously qualified to also have powers of apprehension under section 807(b).  The legislative history shows that adding military personnel with apprehension powers was the purpose of the law, not restricting those previously qualified.

So, would a foreign police officer qualify?  They might, depending on the court.  

Clearly, they are an employee of a government agency.  The law does not specify that it must be a U.S. government agency, though of course, that could be argued as the intended purpose.

They would have to be authorized by their agency to carry a firearm.   Most Irish gardai are not so authorized, but a few are.  It is not known if Garda Hanrahan was one of the select few, but it seems unlikely.

Finally, the officer would have to meet requirement (6):
(6) is not prohibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm.
This would be a little harder for a foreign officer, but can be overcome with a little preparation.  Legal visiting aliens who have a legitimate hunting license or are a member of a club that engages in shooting competitions, can legally receive and possess firearms in the United States. 

All of the above might be considered fanciful speculation, but consider that the Courts have held that if a person is convicted of a felony in a foreign court, they lose their second amendment rights in the United States.  The court ruled that the law did not specify that the felony had to occur under United States law, only that it was a felony.  

Such an interpretation would likely be cited in any court case in which a foreign police officer attempted to use LEOSA as a defense.

As an interesting aside, the composite picture of one of the suspects in the Hanrahan shooting looks very much like the one of a suspect in the self defense shooting case involving Billy Gregory.   Both cases occurred reasonably close to the French Quarter of New Orleans, separated by less than three days.


Composite pictures of the two suspects in the shooting of Brian Hanrahan, which occurred on January 27th.



Composite picture of the suspected confederate of Nicholas Temper, Temper was shot by Musician Billy Gregory in what the NOPD has called a self defense shooting, on January 30th.

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KEYWORDS: banglist; la; leosa; neworleans
Of course, LEOSA might not apply in this case if Hanrahan had been drinking.
1 posted on 02/03/2015 4:46:26 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

In New Orleans? Drinking? What are the odds?


2 posted on 02/03/2015 4:49:47 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: marktwain

Two words of advice:

1. Stay away from Black people in New Orleans.

2. Most bars are open at 5am in New Orleans. Just walk one block and you’ll find one. No need to go off with a stranger.


3 posted on 02/03/2015 4:51:41 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Isn't it funny that Socialists never want to share their own money?)
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To: Cowboy Bob

This brings up the question was what was he really looking for


4 posted on 02/03/2015 5:00:39 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Cowboy Bob

really....... was promised more than a drink IMOP.200 bucks indicates that too


5 posted on 02/03/2015 5:01:23 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: riverrunner

great minds.....


6 posted on 02/03/2015 5:01:57 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: marktwain

I hope the baby that is in the original photo is not his orphan.


7 posted on 02/03/2015 6:11:37 AM PST by Bigg Red (Let's put the ship of state on Cruz Control with Ted Cruz.)
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To: marktwain

speaking as someone living here, irish police, aka Gardai, are unarmed. chances are he would very little or no experience with firearms. also, i dont know what part of ireland he is from but if i am in a city here and meet ‘some guy’ who says he knows where to get a late night drink (bars close at 11.30ish here), you dont head off with him.


8 posted on 02/03/2015 7:17:05 AM PST by Irishguy
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To: marktwain

Lack of situational awareness can kill.


9 posted on 02/03/2015 8:18:27 AM PST by zeugma (The act of observing disturbs the observed.)
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To: marktwain

It might be a moot point as the vast majority of the Garda Siochana (Irish police) Do not regularly carry firearms on duty. This officer might not be qualified to carry on duty in his own country.

CC


10 posted on 02/04/2015 1:35:46 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Cogito ergo non liberalo: I think, therefore I'm not a Democrat)
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