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Andrew Sullivan: Why I’m Jittery About SCOTUS On Marriage
The Dish ^ | January 22, 2015 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 01/28/2015 6:26:10 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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How many of those states actually voted for same-sex marriage, Andrew?
1 posted on 01/28/2015 6:26:10 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I live in the state (Oregon) where the Christian bakery was shut down by government because of this issue.

My church no longer performs government marriages.

60% of Christian churches in the US will close if the black robes decide they must perform these “marriages”


2 posted on 01/28/2015 6:42:03 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Exactly!

What's wrong about this whole premise is that, yeah, you can get an overwhelming majority of "yes to gay marriage" opinions simply by counting numbers in ginormous cities like NYC, LA and SF.

But of the 37 states that have "approved of gay marriage", only FOUR were at the ballot box. The others were by dint of an out of control black-robed tyranny.

And spare me the black and white people getting married trope.

Very few people object to that.

Still a man and a woman marriage.

3 posted on 01/28/2015 6:42:06 PM PST by boop (I never use the words democrats and republicans. I use liberals and Americans.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This country was COOKED a long time ago. What was decided over half a century ago is now working its way out in the open. We’re “DONE”!


4 posted on 01/28/2015 6:50:07 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only those 11 mentioned. All the others were by court decision.

Which means, of course, that the statement is not out of date at all, it is still perfectly accurate, and even more relevant, since time has shown that the citizens are not being allowed to debate and decide for themselves on this issue.


5 posted on 01/28/2015 6:53:05 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Freedom of religion is dead. Judeo-Christian values are no longer acceptable in this nation.

The government’s state religion is the worship of Secular Liberalism, the Cult of the Man in place of God.

What a sad state of affairs...


6 posted on 01/28/2015 6:54:36 PM PST by Shadow44
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“But of the 37 states that have “approved of gay marriage”, only FOUR were at the ballot box. The others were by dint of an out of control black-robed tyranny.”

Some were by the legislature, instead of popular vote, but still only a minority of states were allowed to decide this based on any kind of democratic process.


7 posted on 01/28/2015 6:55:32 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Shadow44

http://www.LivingInThePhilippines.com


8 posted on 01/28/2015 6:56:05 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: Boogieman
Where the author is correct, but for the wrong reasons is about gay marriage vs. abortion.

Roe vs. Wade still carries baggage, as it not only was an out of control SCOTUS invalidating 50 state laws, but there's the fact that yes, you CAN be liberal and oppose abortion.

The REAL disgrace about gay marriage is that you are not ALLOWED to have an opposing opinion.

It's gone from, no, that's ridiculous, to OK, whatever makes you happy, to WHAT?

HOW can you have the NERVE to oppose whatever gays want.

In fact if you believe that a man and a woman makes a marriage, you are a hate-filled bigot.

Not only that, but you cannot even be a judge in California and have anything to do with the Boy Scouts.

I've never conceived of an issue where you can literally be punished for having a belief that was considered normal as recently as four years ago.

So opposite from civil rights where racists had to be dragged into the 20th century.

No sir, this is a whole new world.

A made-up new "right" that had never been conceived before, Not even in the most decadent societies in history, that you MUST obey.

Or suffer terribly.

9 posted on 01/28/2015 7:23:53 PM PST by boop (I never use the words democrats and republicans. I use liberals and Americans.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The chart reminded me of something from Alexander Pope's Essay on Man; think he had it right.

“Vice is a monster of so frightful mien
As to be hated needs but to be seen;
Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace.”

10 posted on 01/28/2015 7:26:54 PM PST by dorothy ( "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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The key to how this happened so fast is to look at what mechanism they used to flip peoples’ attitudes so quickly. They stopped talking about “gay rights” and started talking about “civil rights”. That allowed them to piggyback on an existing idea that people were already predisposed to. They didn’t have to build up the idea that people who opposed “civil rights” were evil, bigoted, and outdated, because that perception already existed. All they had to do was market their movement as part of that struggle, and they convinced a lot of dupes instantly.


11 posted on 01/28/2015 7:32:36 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Cold Heart

“My church no longer performs government marriages.”

Why not?


12 posted on 01/28/2015 7:44:48 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Exactly. The MSM is pushing the narrative that states have legalized same-sex marriage which is a lie.

“...and with 36 states now offering marriage equality...”

They’re not offering it voluntarily. They were forced by a few federal judges to make it so.


13 posted on 01/28/2015 7:49:23 PM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Homosexuals cannot convince me that God in Torah sustains their arguments.

Thus, no deal.

Ever!


14 posted on 01/28/2015 8:02:11 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Boogieman
That is a small part of it.

Now we've ALL seen examples of how ANYONE who dare "oppose" gay marriage must be punished.

I'm stunned that the so-called republicans are so meek on judges making and overturning "laws" and constitutional amendments that states have passed.

It's beyond calling people "haters".

It's to the point where "the beatings will continue until morale improves".

Hell, even in the '50s people opposed McCarthy.

Not because they disagreed with his tactics. Everyone hated Commies at the time.

We have a gay McCarthy today, and he ain't "naming" Commies, he's actually prosecuting people who believe in Judeo-Christian ethics.

Well, except for the Muslims, who throw gays off towers.

That's OK.

So long as it's anti-Christian

Liberals have their priorities, you know.

15 posted on 01/28/2015 8:17:39 PM PST by boop (I never use the words democrats and republicans. I use liberals and Americans.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Condyloma acuminata


16 posted on 01/28/2015 8:22:11 PM PST by gasport (Immigration reform means arriving in air-conditioned comfort.)
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To: Star Traveler

Sooner or later there will be 9 mullahs occupying the seats in the SCOTUS.


17 posted on 01/28/2015 8:35:10 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: Oliviaforever

The Christian bakery that refused to bake the gay cake was targeted. The “couple” didn’t want their “gay” cake made at a gay bakery, they wanted to sue the Christian bakery.

The next target will be Christian churches that refuse to perform gay marriages. Churches that refuse will be sued. The state will take away their exempt status. It is estimated that 60% of US Christian churches will close under that scenario.

If a church no longer signs a state certificate for anybody, they don’t do the weird ones either. A church wedding will be a separate non state event.


18 posted on 01/28/2015 8:40:24 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So tired of faggies dictating surrender terms to the rest of us.


19 posted on 01/28/2015 8:43:39 PM PST by elcid1970 ("I: am a radicalized infidel.")
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To: boop

Well, all of the stuff the gays are dishing out was already being dished out by the same apparatus, just to different targets, before the gays jumped on the bandwagon.

The federal civil rights laws, the anti-discrimination legislation, the “human rights commissions”, etc, were all firmly in place. If you had dared to, say, not bake a wedding cake for a black person, or a woman, a few years ago, you would be facing the same treatment as the Christian bakers are today. It seems so sudden now because the gays didn’t have to do any work to set all that up, it was already there and they just hijacked it.


20 posted on 01/28/2015 8:50:49 PM PST by Boogieman
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