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1 posted on 11/24/2014 2:29:15 PM PST by Sean_Anthony
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If you have Netflix, view the movie “Monumental” by Kirk Cameron. Wonderful rebuke of the Founding-Fathers-as-Athiests meme.


2 posted on 11/24/2014 2:47:31 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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I am sorry to disagree, but our Founders did not abhor religion. All of them, even Jefferson, would be the first to agree to the need for religion and the Ten Commandments. Their understanding of the human soul and it's need to have a free conscience was paramount and they did everything they could to promote it over any sort of tyranny, religious or otherwise.

They were all of the very same moral philosophy, though with different theologies and differing political ideas. However, they created a government which put the souls of the individual citizens in the forefront. They put religion into the free market where any religion would have the freedom to rise or fall by its own merit.

We do not have a theocracy, but we do have a government that they formed which takes moral truth as its most important founding stone.

3 posted on 11/24/2014 2:58:08 PM PST by Slyfox (To put on the mind of George Washington read ALL of Deuteronomy 28, then read his Farewell Address)
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I rather doubt most Christians want theocracy. Believe it or not the colony of Virginia had Anglican clergy on the payroll. THAT is what the founders did NOT want. They didn't want what they had in the UK, where Presbyterians were hounded out of churches and persecuted wherever they could be found in worship.
5 posted on 11/24/2014 3:33:55 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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I look forward to the establishment of a “theocracy” on this earth, but it will NOT BE ESTABLISHED BY MEN. That is the fallacy of those who are of the reconstructionist and dominion theology persuasion, many of whom profess to be Christians and who are generally conservative.

The true theocracy is going to be set up when the Lord Jesus Christ returns to rule and reign from Jerusalem for 1000 years.


6 posted on 11/24/2014 3:50:17 PM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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I want a government that acknowledges God but not a Theocracy. Theocracies are very dangerous. The founders knew that.


7 posted on 11/24/2014 4:43:29 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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With all due respect to mom & pop, as a consequence of generations of parents not making sure that their children are being taught the Founding States' division of federal and state government powers, this division evidenced by the 10th Amendment to the Constitution, citizens no longer understand the following about how the Founders had intended for religion to be addressed in the USA.

More specifically, regardless what FDR’s 10th Amendment-ignoring justices wanted everybody to think about “atheist” Thomas Jefferson’s “wall of separation,” the real Jefferson had noted the following. The Founding States had made the 10th Amendment to clarify that the states had reserved “government” power to regulate (cultivate) religious expression uniquely to themselves, regardless that they had also made the 1st Amendment to prohibit the feds from officially addressing religious issues altogether.

“3. Resolved that it is true as a general principle and is also expressly declared by one of the amendments to the constitution that ‘the powers not delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively or to the people’: and that no power over the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, or freedom of the press being delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, all lawful powers respecting the same did of right remain, & were reserved, to the states or the people: that thus was manifested their determination to retain to themselves the right of judging how far the licentiousness of speech and of the press may be abridged without lessening their useful freedom, and how far those abuses which cannot be separated from their use should be tolerated rather than the use be destroyed [emphasis added]; …” — Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions, 1798 .

But regardless that the states have the constitutional authority to regulate religion, the USA (the federal government as distinguished from the states) is arguably a religiously neutral nation under the Constitution, just like Switzerland is regarded as a politically neutral nation. And although Christians don’t like to hear it, this is probably why Congress, probably many Christians in Congress in those days, had included a provision in the Treaty of Tripoli which indicated that the United States is not a Christian nation.

Here’s other excerpts from Jefferson’s writings which reflect that foreign nations were to regard the United States differently from the states.

And bear in mind that atheists are probably as cluess as Christians are about 10th Amendment-protected state power to address religious issues when atheists argue that USA is not a Christian nation.

12 posted on 11/24/2014 5:26:02 PM PST by Amendment10
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