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PA: Police Attitudes Changing
Gun Watch ^ | 27 October, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 10/28/2014 5:47:29 AM PDT by marktwain

Robbery Suspects

In Pennsylvania, an armed citizen with a concealed carry permit stopped an attempted robbery.   This has become a fairly common occurrence.   The interesting thing about this incident is the response from Police Lt. Todd Unstead.  20 years ago, we often heard police give the advice that "citizens should not take the law into their own hands" or that they should "leave police work to the professionals".   That response is heard far less often today.

We have nationally know law enforcement leaders like Police Chief James Craig of Detroit, and Sheriff David Clarke of Milwaukee County encouraging armed citizens to protect themselves.    From lancasteronline.com:

One pointed a gun at a 25-year-old city man and tried to rob him, but he retrieved his own gun from his car and pointed it at the robber, city police Lt. Todd Umstead said Friday.
After the police caught the suspected criminals, Lt. Unstead gave this advice:
Umstead said he couldn’t give a “one size fits all” recommendation about when victims should retrieve their own gun during an incident.

It depends on the situation and the individual, he said.

“In this incident, the victim was absolutely justified in taking the action that he did, and was able to successfully thwart the robbery without anyone getting hurt,” Umstead said. “Anyone in that situation has to realize, however, that there is obviously a risk involved in fighting back against an armed assailant, particularly one who has a gun pointed at you.”
 It is good advice.   Assess the risk and make the call.  Each incident is different.  Individuals who take a chance to stop crime make us all safer, and should be rewarded by society.

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TOPICS: Government; Local News; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; pa; police
Police attitudes are key in this part of the culture war. As police come out in favor of armed citizens, those who do not pay much attention, follow, and a cultural norm is set.

It is the activists that change police attitudes, those that carry, whether openly or concealed.

1 posted on 10/28/2014 5:47:29 AM PDT by marktwain
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2 posted on 10/28/2014 5:53:47 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: marktwain

I recall in the late 1960’s, a Texas DPS trooper was killed during a traffic stop on Hwy. 67 between McCamey and Rankin. A hunter, traveling the opposite direction, and witnessing the trooper falling back onto the highway, stopped his truck and killed the assailant with his deer rifle from about 200 yards. His punishment? The Texas Rangers presented him with a matched set of Colt Custom Shop engraved .45 SAA’s in a rosewood presentation case. That’s how we do things in Texas.


3 posted on 10/28/2014 5:57:44 AM PDT by Ancient Man
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To: marktwain

and pointed it at the robber

This should have been followed with “shot the robber multiple times” as that is what a cop would do if faced with the same situation.


4 posted on 10/28/2014 5:57:54 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Texas isn't just a state. It's a state of mind!)
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To: Ancient Man

Governor Rick Perry presented a LaRue Optimized Battle Rifle to Vic Stacy after the Peach House shootout.

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/08/one-year-later-long-range-peach-house.html


5 posted on 10/28/2014 6:03:10 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Long live Texas and Texans!

Such common sense folks are not as extinct as the Leftists try to paint them.


6 posted on 10/28/2014 6:07:46 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: marktwain

Love it!


7 posted on 10/28/2014 6:11:52 AM PDT by Ancient Man
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To: marktwain
Even some cops are concerned about the erosion of the Second Amendment.

8 posted on 10/28/2014 6:13:24 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: marktwain

That happened in the Park City mall parking lot, which is about a mile down the street from where my parents live in a retirement community outside Lancaster, PA. The place has always been safe before and I’ve never had an issue there. The city itself has rapidly gone downhill since my parents moved there 22 years ago. It’s safe during the day but I won’t go there at night.


9 posted on 10/28/2014 6:13:58 AM PDT by Minsc
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Suzanna Hupp had the best response years ago testifying in front of a Senate panel. She said the second amendment is not about hunting. It’s about protecting all of us from all of you and she was pointing at the Senators in front of her. Chucky Schumer was going to have a conniption fit....


10 posted on 10/28/2014 6:22:50 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: BitWielder1

“Even some cops are concerned about the erosion of the Second Amendment.”

More and more. Most police are against the I-594 initiative in Washington, for example.


11 posted on 10/28/2014 6:34:26 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Minsc

does the park city mall have NO GUNS ALLOWED signs posted? that could explain why he had to go back to his car. are NO GUN SIGNS legally enforceable in PA? in commierado if you conceal carry and ignore the sign you are not breaking a law (doesn’t apply to federalis buildings and schools).


12 posted on 10/28/2014 7:03:39 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (we shouldn't fear the government. the government should fear us.)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

The Second Amendment isn’t about the right to shoot.
It is about the right to shoot back.


13 posted on 10/28/2014 7:09:16 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: marktwain

Also noteworthy: The robbers used the “lighter feint”, which seems to be a common tactic these days. Something to be aware of as a cue that a robbery against you may be imminent.

Importantly, they have probably already “closed the gap” with their feint, which increases the difficulty of gun defense, but another good reason to have your knife as a complement to your gun.

A typical situation would be a standing approach, where as soon as you see them heading in your direction, you discreetly draw your knife, which is hidden behind your forearm. Ideally this does not alarm an innocent approach, nor does it telegraph your weapon to an attacker.

Next would be a left foot step back, which moves your head out of range of an easy sucker punch, yet leaves your knife, still concealed, forward.

Thus, if he still tries a lurching punch at you, you greet him with an upward back-slash to the face. If he pulls a gun, you close the gap very quickly, again with a slash, but torso-neck-face. His gun is parried out of the way with your close.

If he retreats some distance, fine, draw your gun. Time and distance are now your allies.


14 posted on 10/28/2014 8:26:47 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: bravo whiskey

I’ve never seen any signs like that there.


15 posted on 10/28/2014 8:49:39 AM PDT by Minsc
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To: mad_as_he$$

Oh, now I love that one!!! Thx!


16 posted on 10/28/2014 9:13:35 AM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: Ancient Man

Excellent


17 posted on 10/28/2014 10:08:28 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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