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Freakonomics and "buybacks"
Gun Watch ^ | 18 June, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 06/18/2014 10:17:28 AM PDT by marktwain



While doing some research on the academic findings on the futility of gun "buybacks", I found this statement from the "Freakonomics" web site:

When it comes to gun buybacks, both the theory and the data could not be clearer in showing that they don’t work. The only guns that get turned in are ones that people put little value on anyway. There is no impact on crime. On the positive side, the “cash for clunkers” program is more attractive than the gun buyback program because, as long as they are being driven, old cars pollute, whereas old guns just sit there.
This is from 2009.   It is not particularly unusual; academic studies are in agreement that gun "buybacks" do not reduce crime, and that police resources used for them could be better spent elsewhere.
But some say that energy could be better put to use in other ways. Alex Tabarrok, research director of the nonpartisan Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif., said investing in buyback programs makes little sense when study after study shows they don't work.

A few researchers believe buybacks may even do some harm: A 1999 article in the Law and Order journal found that some people sold guns to police during buybacks and then used the money to buy new guns.

It is ironic that the quote above equates buying "new guns" with harm.  It reinforces my theory that the only significant effect of the gun "buybacks" is "to send a message", that is, for political propaganda.   The message is clear: guns are bad and should be turned in to the police.   The very term "buyback" is a propaganda term.   The guns were never owned by the people doing the buying, so they cannot be "bought back".   The term implies that all guns are only legitimately owned by the government.   The theory does a good job of explaining why proponents of gun "buybacks" become so incensed when it is suggested that the guns be sold to responsible individuals, whether licensed dealers or individuals that undergo background checks, and the proceeds used for charity or public benefit.

At first glance, selling the guns would appear to reinforce what those promoting the "buybacks" want - government oversight of those who purchase guns.  But they do not see it that way.   Proponents of the gun "buybacks" make statements such as:

Gun buy-back programs may become illegal

A bill that would do away with gun buy-back programs in Indiana will now go before the Indiana Senate for a vote. 

But the proposal, as indicated in this previous article, does nothing of the sort.  It does not prevent cities from  holding gun "buybacks", it would have prevented them from indiscriminately destroying the guns that they bring in.   In the minds of the proponents, a "buyback" must result in the destruction of the guns, a purely symbolic act, that "sends a message".

Selling the guns sends a different message: guns are valuable resources that many people find useful.

"Buybacks", which I prefer to describe as "turn in events" are on the decline.   Much of the reason for this decline is the increase in private buyers that show up at these events, money in hand, asserting their rights, and spoiling the message of "guns are bad and should be turned in to the police".   The only places where "buybacks" are flourishing are those states that have effectively banned private sales of firearms, such as New Jersey and California.

Even those promoting a disarmed population are distancing themselves from "buybacks".   This email message was unearthed in a freedom of information request in Washington State:

 “I wish you guys would … have talked to us/CeaseFire about this before moving forward,” Fascitelli said in an email to King County Executive Dow Constantine and a Mayor’s Office staffer. “The overwhelming research shows that buybacks generally don’t work well and are a waste of resources and are mocked by the NRA.

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Link to Gun Watch


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; buyback; propaganda; turnin
Private buyers at these turn in events, also known as "buybacks", deliver a propaganda judo throw to dishonest opponents.
1 posted on 06/18/2014 10:17:28 AM PDT by marktwain
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Gun buy backs are great for criminals to unload weapons used in crimes. Most Dept. do not check serial numbers or do any testing to see if it was used in a murder.
2 posted on 06/18/2014 11:30:15 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: marktwain

I see one good 10-22 on top. Other than that it looks like mostly a bunch of old worn out shotguns and single shot .22’s. Good riddance. Its junk.


3 posted on 06/18/2014 11:33:40 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: marktwain
Received this just today...

Attributed to Clint Eastwood.
Participating in a gun buy-back program because you think that criminals have too many guns is like having yourself castrated because you think your neighbors have too many kids.

4 posted on 06/18/2014 2:42:01 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: marktwain

New cars from GM don’t pollute.

Because they get recalled.


5 posted on 06/18/2014 3:20:54 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

One woman’s junk is another’s treasure. There are many people who would jump at the chance to own many of those firearms that you disdain.


6 posted on 06/18/2014 5:12:05 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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“The only guns that get turned in are ones that people put little value on anyway.” (from the article)

That’s my point. Its not like anybody is turning in their good weapons. If somebody wants to buy one fine but these buyback programs are not achieving anything except collecting inferior or worn out weapons. All the good weapons are still out there which foils the govt plan.


7 posted on 06/18/2014 7:09:54 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I see what you are saying. Unfortunately, quite a few valuable firearms are destroyed because they are turned in by people who inherited them and have no interest in them.


8 posted on 06/19/2014 8:25:07 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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