Posted on 05/22/2014 8:52:08 AM PDT by JOHN W K
Ok, since you’re so much smarter than me, you shouldn’t have any problem answering this question: How many laws will judges overturn or government ignore before we realize we have a people problem, not a policy problem?
You announced that I’m an idiot. Before I just accept your assertion, I’d like you to tell me what you think my argument is. If we were face to face you wouldn’t just call me an idiot. Unless you were a certified jerk.
A joint House and Senate amendment instead of a state called Amendment Convention with its built in limitations? I think not.
Attaching Levin’s name to your own thread on your own scheme of what you would like to see done is discourteous and self promoting IMHO.
The National Retail Sales Tax, or Fair Tax, is a way to take power back from the politicians and lobbyists by doing away with all the federal income taxes (personal, estate, gift, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, self-employment, and corporate taxes)
The FairTax is replacement, not reform. It REPLACES federal income taxes including personal, estate, gift, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, self-employment, and corporate taxes.
Let us look at the facts.
The “fairtax” does not withdraw Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, and other incomes. But it would, if adopted, create two new taxes, a 23 percent tax upon the purchase of articles of consumption and another 23 percent tax upon the sale of labor, and it would keep alive Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, and other incomes. The “fairtax” is a Washington Establishment cooked up scheme to enlarge our federal government’s taxing arm.
In addition, the “fairtax”, just as a national retail sales tax, would violate the wisdom and brilliance of our founding fathers rule of apportionment under which they agreed that any general tax laid among the states would be apportioned so that each state’s contribution of the total sum being collected would be proportionately equal to its representation in Congress ___a rule based upon an idea of representation with a proportional financial obligation, or, one man, one vote, and one vote one dollar. Socialists love their one man one vote part of the rule of apportionment but fear with a passion one vote one dollar.
Under the “fairtax” or a national retail sales tax, although the people of a state may contribute a larger share to fund the federal government, they may not get a proportionately equal say in Congress relative to their contribution on how their money will be spent because the rule of apportionment would not be observed!
And just what were the very intentions behind the rule of apportioning both representatives and any general tax laid among the States?
In Federalist No. 54 we are reminded that our Constitution’s rule requiring an apportionment of both Representatives and direct taxes “…will have a very salutary effect.” Madison observes in this paper . . . “Were” the various States’ “share of representation alone to be governed by this rule, they would have an interest in exaggerating their inhabitants. Were the rule to decide their share of taxation alone, a contrary temptation would prevail. By extending the rule to both objects, the States will have opposite interests, which will control and balance each other, and produce the requisite impartiality.”
And during the ratification debated, the following comments are made with regard to the rule of apportionment:
Pinckney addressing the S.C. ratification convention with regard to the rule of apportionment :
“With regard to the general government imposing internal taxes upon us, he contended that it was absolutely necessary they should have such a power: requisitions had been in vain tried every year since the ratification of the old Confederation, and not a single state had paid the quota required of her. The general government could not abuse this power, and favor one state and oppress another, as each state was to be taxed only in proportion to its representation.” 4 Elliot‘s, S.C., 305-6
And see:
“The proportion of taxes are fixed by the number of inhabitants, and not regulated by the extent of the territory, or fertility of soil”3 Elliot’s, 243,“Each state will know, from its population, its proportion of any general tax” 3 Elliot’s, 244 ___ Mr. George Nicholas, during the ratification debates of our Constitution.
Mr. Madison goes on to remark about Congress’s “general power of taxation” that, "they will be limited to fix the proportion of each State, and they must raise it in the most convenient and satisfactory manner to the public."3 Elliot, 255
And if there is any confusion about the rule of apportionment intentionally designed to insure that the people of each state are guaranteed a proportional vote in Congress equal to their contribution, Mr. PENDLETON says:
“The apportionment of representation and taxation by the same scale is just; it removes the objection, that, while Virginia paid one sixth part of the expenses of the Union, she had no more weight in public counsels than Delaware, which paid but a very small portion”3 Elliot’s 41
Having stated the above, I do support Congress raising its revenue from taxing consumption, but only as our Founders intended under our Constitution’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN
JWK
“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”,no longer in print.
Have you read the "Liberty Ammendments?"
And I do apologize for the name calling. Sorry.
JWK
What exactly is someone that promotes socialist ideas?
JWK
That means you don’t have an answer that doesn’t contradict your assertion.
JWK
They are not “liberals”. They are conniving Marxist parasites who use the cloak of government force to steal the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create
Stop digging - you can be sure that Bernie would not agree with any of Mark’s proposed amendments including the one you labeled socialist.
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