WI:Cheap Gun Opportunity Coming in Milwaukee

Gun Watch ^ | 24 April, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

There will be a gun turn in event in Milwaukee on Saturday, 17 May,  2014.  While these events are commonly labeled with the propaganda term "buyback" the guns were never owned by the people attempting to buy them.

The event will be held at Tabernacle Community Baptist Church, 2500 W. Medford Ave.  The jsonline.com article indicates that it is in a high crime neighborhood.

The event is scheduled to run from 10 am to 2 pm. People often turn up early at these events.

The incentives for the gun turn in are unknown at this time.  From jsonline.com:

Details of the gun buyback, such as the amount of money offered for different types of firearms, are still being organized.

It is common at these events for rifles and shotguns to be accepted for amounts from $50 to $100, handguns from $50 to $150, and "assault rifles" from $150 to $250.  What is considered an "assault rifle" often depends on what the individual at the turn in event decides is one at the moment it is turned in.

This may be the first gun turn in event in Milwaukee since 2005.  Wisconsin is a gun friendly state, with a high percentage of avid deer and duck hunters, as well as offering good goose, ruffed grouse, turkey, bear, squirrel, rabbit and pheasant hunting.    The Milwaukee Journal ran a famous column by Gordon Macquarrie until 1956, glorifying the the hunting camp in northern Wisconsin.  On the start of deer season, the freeways are often  jammed with hunters heading north to the hunting camps.    It is likely that there are numerous attics in Milwaukee with forgotten treasures that belonged to grandpa or even great-grandpa.

The potential for valuable old guns being turned in is very large.    I would be surprised if there were no Savage model 99 deer rifles or Winchester model 1897 shotguns turned in.   There will likely be some decent double barreled shotguns; maybe even a drilling that a German immigrant brought over from the old country.   Milwaukee supplied many WWII soldiers, and there is a good chance that WWII trophy Lugers, P-38s, Mausers, Enfields, and Springfields will turn up.  Up until 1968, many of these guns were available mail order for a few dollars.   I will be surprised if at least one M1 carbine and one M1 Garand are not turned in.

Private sales are legal in Wisconsin, but the Milwaukee police chief, Ed Flynn is infamous for his animosity to armed citizens.   In 2009, before the passage of the shall issue law in Wisconsin, Chief Flynn said, as recorded by milwaukeestory.com: 

"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it."

Chief Flynn was imported from Massachusetts.  It is not so easy to find his intolerant attitude in Wisconsin.  The law has been clarified since that point, and several settlements have been paid to citizens who were falsely arrested while legally carrying guns.   It would be well for private buyers to have recorders and to operate in pairs so as to deter police misconduct.

To give an idea of what sort of guns might come into this turn in, consider that Chief Flynn is sitting on about $2,000,000 worth of guns that have already been turned in, and which Wisconsin law makes difficult for the authorities to sell.

If there is much of a turn out at the turn in, private buyers should look for easy places for people to park so that the merchandise can be looked at prior to purchase.  Often people bring several guns to these turn in events.   As the event is only scheduled for four hours at one location, do not be surprised if there are long lines of people waiting to turn in guns, and many disappointed people when the organizers run out of money.   Both situations bode well for private purchasers.

You might want to read about the Phoenix event to see how things were handled there.

Be prepared for a percentage of people who refuse to talk to anyone but police.  All the private buyers that I saw in Phoenix were very polite and let these ideologically driven people turn in their guns for a fraction of what they would be worth on the open market.

Signs are helpful, as are good grooming, cash, and a friendly attitude.  Dale Carnegie's advise for dealing with people works very well.

Across the country, communities, police departments and churches are sponsoring gun turn-ins to get "guns off the street". At many of these events, private buyers are showing up, offering cash for the more valuable guns. These private additions to the public turn-in are effective, no doubt, in getting more guns off the street, because they add to the resources that are available to those who want to get rid of guns for something of value, be it a grocery card or a number of twenty dollar bills.

You can help make the turn-in in your area more effective by standing on the curb with your "Cash for Guns" sign, or at a folding table, willing to offer more than the gift card for firearms that are more valuable. It would be best if numerous private parties were available, as more good guns could then be transferred into responsible hands.

This action serves many useful purposes. It stretches the turn-in budget so that more guns can be taken off the street. It helps keep fearful widows from being defrauded of most of the market value of the gun they are turning in. It prevents valuable assets from being destroyed by bureaucratic inflexibility. It is a win-win-win situation.   The ideal situation for those organizing the turn in would be to allow private buyers to purchase the valuable guns, while having the organizers take the cheap guns "off the streets".   As these events are ideologically driven, that seems unlikely, but it might be worth an attempt at outreach.  All parties would benefit.

Private buyers dispel the pernicious message that guns are bad and should be destroyed.

Link to article with numerous examples of private sales at gun turn in events
 
Link to an article about private buyers at Detroit event

Link to Phoenix Article: pictures of private buyers

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[marktwain]

Information on the local address would be appreciated. I may be able to report on this turn in in person. If anyone else is planning on being there, send a freepmail and maybe we can work something out.

[Mygirlsmom]

The ideal situation for those organizing the turn in would be to allow private buyers to purchase the valuable guns, while having the organizers take the cheap guns "off the streets". As these events are ideologically driven, that seems unlikely, but it might be worth an attempt at outreach

In Milwaukee?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[taxcontrol]

Hmmm, my mind is racing with the idea of a non-profit that is set up to “buyback” guns. Then I could donate to the non-profit a chunk of cash, then rent a van, put up a big gun buy back banner near one of these places and buy these guns up. Say offer $200 to $250 for assault rifles then turn around and sell them for a profit.

[marktwain]

If you are going to sell them for a profit, you could be charged with being a dealer and requiring an FFL.

It is best to use the guns for a year to see if you like them. If you decide that you want something different after that period, then you are not operating as a dealer.

Similarily, if you are merely upgrading your collection, it is not generally considered as being “in the business”.

[taxcontrol]

Good point. I had not thought about that.

[marktwain]

It is rare for AR or AK type rifles to be turned in. You might get an SKS or three, almost as likely to pick up an M1 carbine or Garand.

Someone could easily end up with a Colt Python or a WW II Luger. At the Phoenix event, one fellow picked up a Colt Delta Elite in 10mm for less than a hundred bucks.

It is quite likely that someone will turn in bricks of .22 ammo for nothing, just to get rid of it!

[afraidfortherepublic]

Gun buyback set for Milwaukee.

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[marktwain]

Here is a link to an article about the potential legal risk of buying guns at one of these events:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2014/04/what-is-legal-risk-of-buying-gun-at.html

[Last Dakotan]

Its highly unlikely that any widows of WWII combat veterans remain anywhere near 2500 W. Medford Ave. Similarly I can assure you that the local residents don’t have deer camps up north.

[marktwain]

Many people come to these events from miles away. Even people in bad neighborhoods had grandparents.

[marktwain]

Any information that you can give about the neighborhood would be welcome. I am assuming that it is low rent and crime ridden.

Is it large geographically or in populaiton? Close to suberbs or upscale neighborhoods?

Know anything about the church in question? It sounds rather “lefty” but that can be deceptive.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Thank you MarkTwain.

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2014/04/what-is-legal-risk-of-buying-gun-at.html

Link to article about potential legal risk of buying guns at one of these events.

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[Redcitizen]

It looks like a nice neighbor hood. You can go for a virtual tour with google maps.

Here is the link for the church.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tabernacle+Community+Baptist+Church/@43.063967,-87.945123,3a,75y,76.61h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sN9ahlYg1nSOKWG_TxcZGdw!2e0!4m9!1m6!2m5!1sbaptist+churches!3m3!1sbaptist+churches!2s2500+W+Monroe+St,+Milwaukee,+WI+53206!3s0x88051befa8a788fb:0xbb45ffa48e01eea4!3m1!1s0x88051be8cb582967:0x78d29ad477d7e65

[marktwain]

Thanks for the link. Parking looks very limited to me, but the neighborhood looks a lot better than much of Detroit. I wonder if there are any public schools nearby.

[Last Dakotan]

Any information that you can give about the neighborhood would be welcome.

The worst part of the bad part of town. Metaphysically it is as far from middle class suburban white America as you can get. Go armed.

[marktwain]

That is not good. Milwaukee has a high homicide rate. Still, it is far below the Chicago numbers.

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/11/milwaukee-hoards-confiscated-guns.html

[Ellendra]

That almost sounds like something I'd invest in. You'd need someone on staff who was licensed to deal in firearms, and there’d be a few other kinks to work out. But it could be feasible.