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AZ:Words Make a Difference in Description of Arizona Defensive Shooting
Gun Watch ^ | 19 February, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 02/18/2014 8:44:34 AM PST by marktwain

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Many people have their views of a "fist fight" from watching movies or from high school versions of an abbreviated version of the code duello, where disinterested observers make sure that advantage is not taken of an opponent who is down or unconscious.

On "the street", a "fist fight" becomes a potentially deadly encounter.

1 posted on 02/18/2014 8:44:34 AM PST by marktwain
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There isn’t anything at Walmart worth fighting over so this just seems odd. Maybe someone cut in line or took the last beef jerky.


2 posted on 02/18/2014 8:50:42 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Or maybe Chee was drunk and picked a fight with Quadlin, who was just minding his own business. We do not know, but the police have access to the video, and likely, witnesses.


3 posted on 02/18/2014 8:53:28 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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never forget “disparity of force”. if you are weaker, smaller, disabled, injured, older, ambushed/surprised by attackers, one against several attackers, or an attacker that indicates verbally/gestures they will kill you and a weapon may/may not be visible,

disparity of force legally allows the victim to use equal or more perceived force against their attackers to stop the threat and get away.


4 posted on 02/18/2014 8:53:46 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Precisely so. It matters very much who started the physical altercation, and what words were spoken beforehand.


5 posted on 02/18/2014 8:55:16 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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"the street", a "fist fight" becomes a potentially deadly encounter.

true... when i first read about this incident, i wondered more about the shooter "losing" the fight... what did that look like? how badly was he losing? are there pictures of him with injuries? was his head being bashed in? or was it being bashed against the floor or counter? was he being choked? are there marks on his neck? was he being kicked? but the articles so far have said nothing about the actual fight... because the shooter has not been arrested, i am assuming he has physical evidence on his body...

6 posted on 02/18/2014 8:56:33 AM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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The police have the video.


7 posted on 02/18/2014 9:00:12 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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Our accepted rules of behavior are foreign to many people from other countries. Standing in line, parking in a marked parking space, or other conventions that we all accept are incomprehensible to them. It’s the other side of the multicultural coin.


8 posted on 02/18/2014 9:10:58 AM PST by oldbrowser (Obamacare is Obama's Great Leap Forward)
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A great deal depends on who initiated by physical altercation.


If one was armed and the other wasn’t, it is almost always the one that was not armed. And if the one that was not armed is also physically superior to the one that is armed, it is even more likely the unarmed one started the physical fight.

And yes, I apply this to Trayvon Martin vs George Zimmerman. I have virtually no doubt that Martin started the fight.


9 posted on 02/18/2014 9:15:53 AM PST by cuban leaf
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He fled the scene, and went home where he was arrested after his family turned him in. If he still didn’t get arrested despite fleeing the scene, something is up with this story.

I’ll bet the shooter is a “Holder’s People.” Quite a few live in the apartment complex across the street from WM.

(I know the neighborhood very well, I’ve been living in it for about 20 years. This Wally World is within walking distance of my house, and when I go, it’s usually about 4PM on a Sunday. It was sheer happenstance I wasn’t there when this happened.)


10 posted on 02/18/2014 9:16:53 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Jeff Chandler
Notice the difference in the account by CBS5, a local Chandler station:

Hey Jeff! Lookit this! Channel 5 is now a Chandler station!

11 posted on 02/18/2014 9:17:57 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: driftdiver
There isn’t anything at Walmart worth fighting over so this just seems odd. Maybe someone cut in line or took the last beef jerky.

Or top-notch rifles, or a Surefire flashlight, or any of the other great stuff Walmart sells, much of it things like Colt ARs, that lesser stores won't sell.

12 posted on 02/18/2014 9:35:21 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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It is likely that witnesses and store video are collaborating Mr. Quadlin's account, or he would have been arrested.

I think the operative word is "corroborating" not "collaborating".

If the witnesses were "collaborating" then there would likely be something wrong.

13 posted on 02/18/2014 9:36:09 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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Lesser stores?

There is nothing there worth fighting over. The almost always have at least two of any item.


14 posted on 02/18/2014 9:40:17 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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It matters very much who started the physical altercation, and what words were spoken beforehand.

Not really.

That's secondary to what was happening shortly before the gun was pulled and fired.

15 posted on 02/18/2014 9:41:50 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: driftdiver

I consider anti-gun, pro-union stores, lesser stores.


16 posted on 02/18/2014 10:06:44 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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ok, there are MANY stores which do not fit that criteria.


17 posted on 02/18/2014 10:07:54 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

Maybe drunk Injun?


18 posted on 02/18/2014 10:08:34 AM PST by Rockpile
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To: driftdiver

Do you have a point, or are you just wasting time?


19 posted on 02/18/2014 10:18:34 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: latina4dubya

en i first read about this incident, i wondered more about the shooter “losing” the fight... what did that look like? how badly was he losing? are there pictures of him with injuries?

Mostly all not relevant to self defense. Most statues of self defense read “the person feared for their life” You do not have to be “physically” within seconds of dying to claim self defense


20 posted on 02/18/2014 10:19:55 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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