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To: John Valentine
"THOSE are supposed to be the most powerful arguments? You guys are in serious need of some intellectual rigor and honesty."

Agreed. Why don't you give us the most powerful arguments for first living cell arising randomly with the 6 feet of DNA structures necessary to codify not only the organization of the cell, but its replication system, the repair system, the communication system, the fabrication system and its integration system with soon to be surrounding cells. I think we missed that part in the other 5 cards.

5 posted on 02/07/2014 9:57:50 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Its a faith thing... one need have faith in the super..ludicrous to support the not quite a theory...theory of evolution!


6 posted on 02/07/2014 10:11:42 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("When you meet the unbelievers, strike at their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4)
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To: The Looking Spoon; alancarp; Dutchboy88

Thanks for all your replies.


8 posted on 02/07/2014 10:13:39 AM PST by ShasheMac (Be still and know that I am God. Psa;m 46:10)
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To: Dutchboy88
*. Why don't you give us the most powerful arguments for first living cell arising randomly with the 6 feet of DNA structures necessary to codify not only the organization of the cell*

Also, where did the information come from that is in the DNA?

It has been calculated that the odds against abiogenesis are 1 in 10 to the 100,000th power against.

Scientists generally agree that anything that is 1 in 10 to the 80th power against is impossible.

10 posted on 02/07/2014 10:30:05 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: Dutchboy88

“Why don’t you give us the most powerful arguments for first living cell arising randomly with the 6 feet of DNA structures necessary to codify not only the organization of the cell, but its replication system, the repair system, the communication system, the fabrication system and its integration system with soon to be surrounding cells.”

Well, we could always preform an experiment. It would take a long time, so instead, let’s perform a thought experiment, but instead of shooting for what you describe above, let’s go for something simpler, say a nano-sized CF-53 Panasonic i7 laptop with Windows 7 Professional x64 with integrated nano-solar cells for power.

First, we fill a billion (or so) beakers full of the elemental powders from which the above were formed, put some sea water in, and then bombarded the laptop soup in the beakers with lightening for a few hundred million years (or so).

What are the chance of getting our nano-laptop and OS. Pretty good, right? After all, that’s a WAY simpler setup than a self-replicating cell.

Do you think that we would eventually obtain a single integrated circuit chip forming in the beaker? And then the chip should eventually EVOLVE all by itself into the laptop (with operating system) after being bombarded by cosmic rays for a long time after that? After all, bombarding an integrated circuit (or cell) with cosmic rays would be like bombarding an Intel i7 fabrication plant with 20mm depleted uranimum shells from an A-10 Warthog, and expecting to get an i9 processor coming out afterwards.

If organic life formed by accident in a similar scenario, then certainly there should be no problem with obtaining the laptop and operating system in a like fashion, because after all, the laptop and OS are a few thousand trillion times simpler than, say, the Homo Sapiens species. In fact, we should obtain the laptop and OS much faster because they are so much simpler.

I wonder how long we’ll have to shake our beakers?


17 posted on 02/07/2014 11:43:41 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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