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WI:Open Carry of Rifles in Fond du Lac, Police Respect Constitution
Gun Watch ^ | 17 January, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 01/16/2014 6:15:09 AM PST by marktwain

Open carry of a rifle at a Phoenix event.



The open carry of rifles appears to be having the effect desired by second amendment supporters.   A half dozen second amendment supporters openly carrying rifles generated a handful of calls in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin.  Earlier this year, two second amendment activists were harassed at gunpoint by police in Appleton, Wisconsin, in spite of strong state protections in the law.

Last Saturday, the 11th of January, the response in Fond du Lac was completely different.   From the fdlreporter.com, the City Council President Sam Meyer explains:

“It was basically just a unique display of (the gun owners’) right to bear arms under the state’s open carry law and the U.S. Constitution,” Meyer said. “In a similar incident in Appleton, police engaged the individuals and caused additional turmoil. Our police observed them, making sure that they weren’t a threat to public safety.”
Meyers thinks the police hit the right balance in this case.
 “I’m a gun owner myself and I understand where they’re coming from, but we also need to have the right amount of balance and provide safety to our citizens, too,” Meyer said. “It’s something to keep an eye on.”
We cannot know what the reaction would be if the police in Appleton had not hassled the second amendment activists there.    But it is clear that the education created by that incident made an impression on the Fond du Lac police and community leaders.   Now they understand that they are dealing with activists who are promoting constitutional rights, not incipient rampage killers.  This is the same learning curve that we saw with concealed carry.   First, denial and outrage.   Second, wary acceptance.   Finally, support.


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TOPICS: Education; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; fonddulac; opencarry; wi
Normalization in progress. Of course, Wisconsin is a state full of deer hunters and woodsmen.
1 posted on 01/16/2014 6:15:09 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

ILLINOIS STATE RIFLE ASSOCIATION

INFORMATIONAL ALERT

WHAT TO DO ABOUT THOSE PESKY “NO-GUNS” SIGNS

As you may know, the concealed carry law enacted last year ironically includes provisions that will greatly impede your ability to defend yourself against violent criminals. Among these impediments to self defense is a provision allowing private property owners to prohibit concealed firearms on their property. The law requires such property owners to post government-approved “no guns allowed” signs on property entrances.

As implementation of concealed carry goes forward, more and more of these “no guns allowed” signs will be springing up in businesses across Illinois. Although law-abiding firearm owners are offended by such signs, most of us accept that private property owners are free to limit access to their property as they see fit. Nonetheless, the placement of such signs poses some serious public policy implications to those who honor free exercise of basic human rights.

In practical terms, the official “no guns allowed” sign actually declares, “No Self Defense Permitted Beyond this Point.” Thus, a property owner who posts a “no guns allowed” sign is telling you point blank, “I don’t care if you and your family are in danger, I will not allow you to defend yourself.” The net effect of the property-owner’s self-righteous indignation is that anyone who enters the posted property unarmed is being set up for violent attack.

The beauty of concealed carry is that only handful of citizens need to be armed in order to protect the greater part of society from harm. This benefit arises out of the fact that would-be criminals are never really sure which citizens around them may be armed. As a result, their criminal urges may be stifled in the interest of not getting shot.

Given the deterrent value of concealed carry, the posting of “no guns allowed” signs openly invites criminals to enter a business to commit mayhem without the fear of facing an armed citizen. Under the concealed carry statute, persons licensed to carry must obey these signs. By their very nature, criminals will not be deterred by a plastic pictogram stuck to a window. Consequently, armed criminals will be absolutely assured that nobody in the establishment is capable of warding off their violent behavior. “No guns allowed” signs give a distinct advantage to those who seek to harm others.

For thugs who may be too shy to perform for an audience, the parking lots of “no guns allowed” establishments would be little more to their liking. It would be a given that anyone leaving such a business would be unarmed and, thus, easy pickings for robbers or rapists. Likewise, these criminals would be free to burglarize cars in the parking lot to harvest guns dutifully left behind by permit holders who enter the antigun business.

All in all, it’s distinctly possible that posting a “no guns allowed” sign makes patronizing a business more dangerous now that concealed carry has been passed than it had been to patronize the same store before the passage of concealed carry.

Quite a few people have contacted ISRA headquarters to report businesses that have posted “no guns allowed” signs. Many of the people ask how they should respond to the posting of such signs. Below are our recommendations.

1. Carrying a concealed firearm in to an establishment bearing an official “no guns allowed” sign is not lawful and should not be attempted.

2. Business owners who post “no guns allowed” signs consider lawful firearm owners to be social outcasts. Therefore, those businesses should be avoided, but not without first hearing how displeased you are with their decision. We recommend that you ask to see the manager and then politely tell him or her that you are a lawful firearm owner and that you disagree with their position on concealed carry. Advise the manager further that, as long as the offensive sign is posted, you will not spend money at their establishment and that you will tell all your friends to avoid doing business with them as well.

3. Reward businesses who allow concealed carry by spending money in their establishments.

4. Remain active in the gun rights movement at a local level.

5. Join the ISRA.

6. Donate to the ISRA so that we may carry on the fight to preserve, protect, and enhance gun rights in the state.

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2 posted on 01/16/2014 6:44:08 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

You should submit this as its own post.


3 posted on 01/16/2014 6:59:22 AM PST by lcms rev
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To: KeyLargo

I will submit it if you like.


4 posted on 01/16/2014 7:52:12 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

It looks like the gentleman in the photo is not only carrying openly, but carrying with an open bolt. Certainly not required, but probably a darned good way to show any LEO that he is not behaving in a threatening manner.


5 posted on 01/16/2014 7:55:18 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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