Posted on 12/31/2013 7:42:46 PM PST by JOHN W K
Cruz knows he and TEA won’t get crossover support unless they actually present a plan to get out of this mess instead of constant complaining.
His FB continues with #fullrepeal.
He and Greg Abbott (TX AG and soon-to-be gov) are extremely close, both brilliant. Abbott’s been on FNC (on right now, in fact) talking repeal.
Abbott is saying he’s looking for ‘standing’, enough people being harmed by zerocare to bring suit.
Where’s the Repeal and Replace?
NRST. Keep trying it until it passes.
Ha! If not enough people have been hurt by having a possibly/probably ineligible president to grant standing, I don't think ObamaCare is going to either.
I sense there’s a plan.... I watch every day all day for clues.
Either you intentionally don't get it, or you weren't listening to the replies so far: the 17th Amendment robs the States-as-entities of any representation in the federal government, thus to return to the original tax-plan (without correcting this) would be (a) to endorse taxation without representation [as it is the states being taxed], and (b) to place the States themselves into a sort of slavery/subjugation to the Federal Government.*
I honestly don't give a crap about what radio-hosts are saying, one way or the other — they are ultimately irrelevant.
* Granted, it is common for people to take this view-point claiming that the US Constitution's supremacy-clause grants supremacy over everything despite the 9th and 10th Amendments.
OneWingedShark ,
I have been at this since the 1970s and I understand more than you can imagine about the importance of repealing the 17th Amendment. Having said that, if our Constitution’s original tax plan were put back in place and its rule of apportionment were observed with regard to taxation, did it ever dawn upon you that every States’ Congressional Delegation [House and Senate members alike] would be forcefully encouraged to start acting in their own states interest?
Keep in mind that if our Constitution’s original tax plan were in effect Congress would suddenly be forced to fund federal expenditures from imposts, duties, and miscellaneous excise taxes on specifically chosen articles of consumption, preferable articles of luxury as our founder intended. Funding our federal government with these types of taxes, which are primarily upon consumption, will only render what the market place is willing to pay in taxes. In other words, increasing taxes on any particular article will lower its consumption and the revenue to Congress will be diminished. And if Congress should spend more than is brought in from the above mentioned taxes, then the dreaded apportioned tax would be required to be laid and each State’s Congressional Delegation would have to return home with a bill in hand for their Governor and State’s Legislature to deal with which would deplete their own State’s Treasury!
Now tell me, what do you think would happen if our pinko Congressional Delegations [e.g., California, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Illinois, etc.] had to return home with a bill in hand which would deplete their own State’s Treasury to fund their reckless spending while in Washington?
As you can see, going back to our Constitution’s original tax plan would financially accomplish what a repeal of the 17th Amendment would do, that is, encourage each State’s Congressional Delegation to start acting in their own State’s interests rather than advancing a nationwide socialist agenda which is the redistribution of wealth.
Finally, you ought to be very concerned about our establishment media which works in concert with those who are working to subvert our constitutionally limited system of government.
JWK
They are not “liberals”. They are conniving Marxist parasites who use the cloak of government force to steal the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create
Ok -- We're certainly in agreement there.
Having said that, if our Constitution’s original tax plan were put back in place and its rule of apportionment were observed with regard to taxation, did it ever dawn upon you that every States’ Congressional Delegation [House and Senate members alike] would be forcefully encouraged to start acting in their own states interest?
It might — However, I think there's a real danger that it would be abused, and that the senators (lacking any recall method) might abuse this thinking of the state picking up the check and taking pay-offs from big corporations.
Now tell me, what do you think would happen if our pinko Congressional Delegations [e.g., California, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Illinois, etc.] had to return home with a bill in hand which would deplete their own State’s Treasury to fund their reckless spending while in Washington?
I really don't know; especially given that some states are on the verge of bankruptcy, it may be that they "make a deal" with the FedGov, signing away all sovereignty as payment for the bill… they'd likely call it something like re-territorification or something and place it directly under the federal government.
As you can see, going back to our Constitution’s original tax plan would financially accomplish what a repeal of the 17th Amendment would do, that is, encourage each State’s Congressional Delegation to start acting in their own State’s interests rather than advancing a nationwide socialist agenda which is the redistribution of wealth.
Or it could allow federal-level politicians to sell their state into slavery.
Finally, you ought to be very concerned about our establishment media which works in concert with those who are working to subvert our constitutionally limited system of government.
Don't I know that. Heck, can you imagine the media outcry if a governor forced an Art 4, Sec4 issue?
I think we are basically on the same page in trying to figure out some strategy to restore the miracle our founding fathers left to us. That is what I had in mind when starting this thread which is titled: Will Senator Ted Cruz and “conservatives” offer real tax reform this coming election?
If we want to restore the American Dream, which is grounded in principles written into our Constitution, should “conservatives” not offer something concrete to get the people’s attention? And what do you think would happen if Senator Cruz and a number of other “conservatives” in Congress actually drew up a House and Senate joint resolution proposing the following?
House/Senate Joint Resolution
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment and end taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other “incomes”.
Section 1: The sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.
Section 2: Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.
Section 3: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by three fourths of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission thereof to the States by the Congress.
I believe this would give America’s working people and business owners something to unite under and then work to elect members to Congress this coming election who will make the adoption of this proposal part of their campaign.
We already know the terrible damage the socialist tax calculated from “incomes” has done to America, and selling the repeal of this horrid tax, which is a source of our progressive’s power in Washington, and forcing Congress to once again raise its revenue from imposts, duties, excise taxes and an apportioned tax among the states if found necessary, is not a difficult task. But we have to start somewhere and so I ask: Will Senator Ted Cruz and “conservatives” offer real tax reform this coming election?
JWK
Today’s corrupted politics is all about the Benjamins, and which political party's leadership can put their hand deeper into the productive working person’s pocket
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