Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

To: schurmann
The popularity of any “coffee mill” arms remains an open question: US Ordnance records indicate a few Sharps carbines were so modified and field trials may have occurred in 1863-64; after that, no mention can be found. Documented, verified specimens are now so rare that collectors are routinely admonished to suspect fakery.

The Spencer rifle or carbine could not have accommodated the coffee mill device, since any interior spaces of the buttstock that might have been used for the mill had already been filled with the magazine tube and other feed system parts.

I have seen ONE photo of a Union soldier holding a Spencer with the coffee grinder handle in the stock. I have come to the conclusion that if they did have such a device that the Spencers so equipped were made as single shot breech loaders only, which would still make them a good deal faster than a muzzle loader. Every Spencer had a magazine cutoff so they could be used as single shots in order to save the magazine rounds for a real emergency, so making some as only single shots would not have been that difficult.

41 posted on 11/17/2013 4:17:55 PM PST by calex59
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies ]


To: calex59

“...I have seen ONE photo of a Union soldier holding a Spencer with the coffee grinder handle in the stock. ...”

Call the archivists and documentarians then. Assuredly a rare variant.

Given that ingenuity of American troops, I’d never reject out of hand the possibility that some enterprising private shoehorned a coffee mill into the stock of a Spencer.

And the 1860s - early Industrial-Age America - were a time of unprecedented experimentation and innovation, in firearms and much else.

James Wolfe Ripley - Chief of Ordnance for the Union War Dept as the American Civil War began - is condemned today for lack of interest in breechloaders and repeaters, but his overriding duty was to organize the production of standard issue arms. He regarded the horde of inventors that stormed Ordnance offices, each toting their personal “great idea” to save the Union by armed force, as a gaggle of starry-eyed fools wilfully devoid of meaningful experience.

And it is very true that in 1861 no metallic-cartridge small-arm system was in any way a battle-proven concept. The Federal government wanted proof before betting military monies.


55 posted on 11/23/2013 9:52:25 AM PST by schurmann
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson