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I know that "Individual mandate" is unpopular with people, and so the republicans get some benefit from saying "democrats shut down government over individual mandate".

But since the IM is actually in the form of a tax increase for those who fail to buy insurance, we really aren't talking about health care at all, or modifying "obamacare". We are talking about tax relief, and the democrats shut down government over a tax increase.

1 posted on 09/30/2013 10:57:48 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

What kind of benefit is anyone getting except the government?


2 posted on 09/30/2013 11:15:57 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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Nice try. I think the spin on this is lost. Everyone knows this is an ideological fight. The polls show public sentiment is against.

The caucus is split and the stories and comments show. The Dems are in lockstep. The republicans ran through the play book in a day. The planning, execution, and pr game have been mismanaged. What is the end game here? I am a smart guy but I do not see how the republican caucus wins here. What is a win? Keep it shut down forever? Obama will cave?

I am sorry I want to be happy over a shutdown but I remember 95 and 96. The goals were better defined 3 of 5 funding bills were passed so the shutdown was not as broad.

I have said it for a week. Republicans will cave probably within a week. Because of the reasons above we are going to lose and lose badly.

All this and Obamacare is on line now!

I hope I am wrong but I doubt it.


3 posted on 09/30/2013 11:18:48 PM PDT by chopperjc
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They can post on YouTube if they want to talk directly to the public. They fail at messaging because they choose to do so.


4 posted on 09/30/2013 11:19:07 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (IÂ’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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Not even Ted Cruz wants to talk about that massive new set of taxes that comes with kenyacare.


8 posted on 10/01/2013 12:40:49 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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I for one am going to call this “Harry Reid’s” govt shutdown. Do to Reid what they did to Newt.


12 posted on 10/01/2013 4:11:04 AM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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