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One of the biggest advantages that second amendment supporters have is that the facts back up our positions.

Using false mythologies for our arguments damages the credibility of those who are trying to restore the constitution.

1 posted on 09/30/2013 7:22:17 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

One of the biggest implied myths by the anti-gun people is that the mere possession of a firearm turns a normally peaceful, non-violent person into an unstable, jittery, trigger-happy, imminent killer. Movies have been made to that effect (Blue Steel) and innocent, peaceful people made suspect by the simple fact of owning a firearm.


2 posted on 09/30/2013 7:29:39 AM PDT by driftless2
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New Orleans doesn’t have tough gun laws. They don’t have any legal gun stores though. Most guns used in crime there are bought through straw purchases. A solid effort to crack down on them could nab most of them. The ATF doesn’t care about that though.


3 posted on 09/30/2013 7:30:15 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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If you remove the subcultures from the United States that do not originate in Europe, and have no significant numbers in Europe (African American and American Hispanics) . . .

America would be a pretty safe place. That is the takeaway point. Here in S. Louis, for example, virtually 100% of murders are committed by blacks.

4 posted on 09/30/2013 7:31:15 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (St. Louis County, Missouri)
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Using false mythologies for our arguments damages the credibility of those who are trying to restore the constitution.

Well done. The truth is always more compelling. Unfortunately, there are too many, left and right, who feel the need to embellish, or to repeat unsupportable hearsay.

5 posted on 09/30/2013 7:31:41 AM PDT by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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Aren’t the four cities mentioned considered to be mostly gun-free?

What the hell are they doing there — poisoning each other?


6 posted on 09/30/2013 7:32:27 AM PDT by 353FMG ( I don't say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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As with many myths, there is a kernel of truth in the underlying idea. If you remove the subcultures from the United States that do not originate in Europe, and have no significant numbers in Europe (African American and American Hispanics) the murder rate for the United States falls into the middle of European murder rates.

DUH!
Why am I not at all surprised that there are "no significant numbers" of African Americans and American Hispanics in EUROPE?!?!?!

Using false mythologies for our arguments damages the credibility of those who are trying to restore the constitution.

So does using ridiculous PC terminology.

7 posted on 09/30/2013 7:36:14 AM PDT by Roccus
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'But if you take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New Orleans, the United States is 4th from the bottom for murders.'

Plain silly. If ya remove the top 4 cities from the other countries as well, they would have even less murders as well.

Then see how the US ranks against them then.

8 posted on 09/30/2013 7:54:03 AM PDT by Theoria
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Most murders are in a few select areas. It's a good argument to use, but it needs to be used properly.

Offenses by jurisdiction - Michigan 2012

Michigan (9-10 Million population) - 628

Those with over 5 are: Detroit (700,000) - 355
Flint (105,000) - 58
Saginaw (51,000) - 23
Grand Rapids (190,000) - 16
Oakland County Sheriff's jurisdiction - 16 (80-90% of those are Pontiac - 60,000)
Lansing (115,000) - 12
Kalamazoo (75,000) - 9
Inkster (25,000) - 9
Battle Creek (52,000) - 8
Highland Park (11,000) - 6

514 out of the 628 are in cities combined of 1.38 million people. Detroit, Flint, and Saginaw combined are 436. Add Pontiac and it's probably about 450. Interesting the only "suburbs" here with 5 or more homicides are Pontiac, Highland Park, and Inkster. All are extremely ghetto.

The other 100,000 big cities in Michigan - all suburbs outside of Ann Arbor: Warren - 134,000 - 0
Sterling Heights - 130,000 - 1
Ann Arbor - 113,000 - 1
And because people here are obsessed with Dearborn, they had 1 homicide and has about 95,000 people.

12 posted on 09/30/2013 9:17:10 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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And if you took out “black” crime from the stats, we are probably the safest country in the world.
Blacks kill 7X more than whites kill. Blacks kill whites 20X more than whites kill blacks. Blacks assault/ mug whites 50X more than whites assault/ mug blacks. AND blacks RAPE white women 1000’s(yes, thousands) of times more than white men rape black women. There hasn’t been a black woman raped in NYC by a white man in anybodies memory, 20-30 years. Think Al Sharpton.There are 100’s of white woman raped in NYC by blacks every year. Google “Color of Crime” a research report


15 posted on 09/30/2013 11:23:51 AM PDT by capt B
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To: marktwain

Any more research done on this topic? A friend just notified me of the statistic. Just wondering.


19 posted on 07/02/2015 2:37:54 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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Take the top 25 urban areas out of the numbers, and see where they fall.


21 posted on 06/01/2016 7:52:00 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (It doesn't matter who votes for whom, it only matters who counts the votes - Joe Stalin)
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In 2014, there were 11,961 murders. 5397 were white, and 31% of the victims were female. 6095 were black, and 14% of those were female. 93% of blacks were killed by other blacks.

At a minimum, then, if you remove blacks being killed, the US murder rate would drop in half.

Another statistic, from Chicago - in the two years where I saw the data, 70% of the VICTIMS had criminal records.

In 2013, where race of the offender was known, it was 4396 white and 5375 black. White include hispanics, and hispanics counted for 28% of the non-black offenders.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2013.xls


24 posted on 06/01/2016 9:05:18 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of infants, ruled by their emotion)
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