Posted on 08/30/2013 10:23:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
In addition, the Syrian civil war is a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia and is yet also another chapter in the long and bitter struggle between Shia and Sunni Islam. Obama, dope that he is, want us to throw a punch against Assad, and not because of national interest, but for the abstract principle that the use of chemical weapons is forbidden, even when they are only used internally against a regime’s own populace.
Bttt
Putin knows that Saudi Arabia is simply a puppet of the US branch of the financial oligarchy, that is, big American capital is the real boss, while the mechanical governmental relationships are handled by the US-SA diplomats, militaries and intelligence services, which are fairly well joined at the hip.
SA is, in this case, a tiny runt backed up by the strong kid of the neighborhood.
So right off the top, for Putin, the whole conversation is at best taken with a grain of salt.
The Anglo-American financial oligarchy, i.e., new world order, is ultimately the financier and chief espionage practitioner / advisor to both the Communist/Eastern bloc and the West. That’s the key part of the “conspiracy” that’s always thought to be way off base, but that’s because most folks don’t know about a lot of relationships and they’ve been conditioned to see things only at the level of US-Russia competitiveness during most of the 20th century. One nice place to start to gain some insight is a review of the story of the “Cambridge Five” from an intelligence point of view, and Wall Street’s “Red Cross” mission to the Soviet Revolution, or the capitalists Armand Hammer and David Rockefeller from a business or finance perspective.
If a world war were in the works, it would be by NWO design and they would prepare for it and decide who they wanted to win prior to starting it, in order to minimize their losses and maximize their returns on their “war”. Right now, the safest place to “keep things” is in America since it has the biggest military, and I really don’t see NWO “walking away from” America or the UK financially.
The West, namely the US, is still far and away the biggest economic engine, the place that generates the most investment returns in absolute dollars for new world order.
NWO earns high percentage returns in China, being a “wild west”, new project like the US was 200 years ago. But China does not generate absolute returns on the same scale as the mature US economy can. Note that is a cultural problem, in that the Chinese oligarchs really can’t control their population if they allow them to gain much wealth. This means that the Chinese economy simply won’t have the per capita wealth like that of the US.
Note how the UK is still a NWO financial base of operations, i.e., the “mother ship” nation, that preserves key legal/financial paradigms, like freewheeling rehypothecation, so it can function as a headquarters for NWO. Of course, Switzerland remains their “bank” HQ, with BIS located there.
Trouble is for NWO, the US economy has them in a real pickle, due to all their machinations of the past few decades. One of the key issues is a US Treasury debt bubble that continually requires more money to be blown into it to keep feeding the corporate feral pigs and unemployed slaves gorging at the Congressional trough.
NWO, in managing their “football-rivalry”-like Russia-US competition, has had Syria and Iran playing for the East, but now NWO wants a them and a whole bunch of arab countries to switch over to the West and fully adopt their Western economic regime. This will allow for US corporations to find new sales to boost revenue, and simultaneously have new central banks and financial firms to buy US government debt. What is essentially the world “economic machine” will either continue to grow in size, remain stable, or shrink, and in order to produce investment returns it needs to grow. Arab “oil nations” are a good target for this, when you think about it, if they have a socialist governmental structure, because the amount of cash that winds up in the hands of most of their population can be controlled and limited, even though the total national revenue per capita is very high from their oil business. This allows the maximum amount of the petrodollars the oil nation earns to come back to the US to be earned as sales by major US corporations (NWO) or received by them as investments made by arab sovereign wealth funds. Along with the arab citizenry getting a small “cut”, some money is carved out for military purposes, just a cost of doing business.
If one looks at Britain’s East India Company, one can learn about new world order by seeing some parallels between EIC’s operations and today’s “independent colony” operations.
If the House of Saud wants war they should buy some army uniforms for their home grown boys and tell them that stuff about all the women they'll get when they die. It's NOT OUR JOB... no matter how much money they give our corrupt public servants.
America’s interests sometimes require that we spend blood and treasure in places and for causes that are of marginal or uncertain value. The argument for the US to participate in the Syrian civil war is that defeat of the Assad regime would be a major blow to Iran, which they are allied with. More cogently, if we want to strike at Iran, we should do so directly instead of getting diverted into a war in Syria.
To be replaced with what?
If we had weighed in early, we might have contrived a pro-Western government as the successor to Assad — and with the French as allies, no less. That moment soon passed, and the two plausible aims now would be to prevent the worst elements among the insurgents from getting substantial power and establishing a federal system with a weak central government and the protection of religious and ethnic minorities. In no such scenarios though should US troops be committed.
I agree - if that's what needed. Taking out Iran's nuclear capabilities might be all that's needed... and on that important mission we sit on our hands.
None of the countries in the ME are worth defending except Israel... Saudis can man-up and buy uniforms for their own kids - not pay off our politicians to slaughter American fathers, sons, and brothers... and now sisters, mothers, and daughters. Really, I don't want ONE American to lose a drop of blood for the Saudis. They are NOT our friends.
Tell me what ‘interest’ we have with the Saudis? Are you saying they won’t ‘sell’ oil to us? Fine. It’s not like they’re giving us oil - they SELL to us. If we stopped paying , they would stop selling to us. It’s a business relationship. It’s not worth dying for. You’re a smart person Rockinham - so if you can give me ONE reason why we should die for the House of Saud, tell me.
Our relationship with the Saudis is founded on our and the world’s need for oil. Even with the surge in US energy production, US security guarantees to the Saudis and other allied petro states are essential to assuring the flow of oil to the rest of the world so that their economies keep ticking over and they produce and buy goods and services from the US and our core allies. In addition, after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq, the Saudis have become important allies against Muslim terrorism.
That's true - but it's also true the majority of killers on 9/11 were Saudis...
The only reason is that the Muslim Brotherhood is in the way of the Saudis spreading Wahhabism throughout the globe.
Supposedly, after 9/11, the Saudi government was coerced and threatened in stark terms in order to gain their cooperation. The Iraq War further shocked Saudi society in the way that the US vanquished both Saddam and the insurgency, while taking a substantial toll of young Saudi men who went into Iraq to fight against the US. While Saudi cooperation remains useful for the US, there is a part of me that regrets that we did not crush them out after 9/11. I have a settled suspicion that 9/11 was known in advance of and supported by key elements in the Saudi and Pakistani intelligence services and governments.
For the Saudis and the Gulf petro states, the Muslim Brotherhood in power has become a menace to regional stability and even to the long term survival of their regimes. This is consistent with the history of Islam and its recurrent religious revivals and messianic leaders who discomfit and threaten the established order.
The alternative to the Saudi monarchy was and is Wahhabist fundamentalism: far worse than the status quo. Did you envision a permanent U.S. military occupation?
The residual Saudi state would have been placed under new leadership. It would then have been a diminished threat due to much diminished financial and oil resources and the need to accommodate to a young populace dissatisfied with the severity of Wahhabi rule and the profound corruption of the ruling family and its multitudinous hangers on.
Although less plausible and desirable now, in the months after 9/11, such a plan would have been relatively easy to carry out on a showing of Saudi state level complicity in the terror attack on the US. An American ultimatum backed by military assets at the ready might well have sufficed, and, if military force were needed, it would have required far less effort and sacrifice than the Iraq war demanded.
Going forward, the potential for America to forcibly dismember the widely disliked Saudi state could be useful in extremis -- assuming that we have an administration that is credible. Since we are discussing a hypothetical scenario that I do not advocate, we may pass over counter-arguments based on our strategy against Iran and other considerations.
I don’t want to crush the Sauds - don’t care about ‘em enough to bother... I just want them to stay out of my county - and I want our people to stay out of theirs... These two cultures - ours and theirs - have NOTHING to offer each other. If they want to sell us oil, fine. If they want to buy something we make, fine. But I don’t want them or their ideas over here... or ours over there.
The Saudi oil reserves are in Shiite-majority areas. The Wahabbists live inland. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mideaststrategy/3402046179/sizes/o/in/photostream/
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