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To: DiogenesLamp; Lakeshark

It’s normally considered common courtesy to ping someone to a post in which you accuse them of “UTTER BULLSH*T,” being an “unmitigated liar,” being an “obsessed, pathological Liar,” and so forth.

Not that I expect common courtesy from you, but still. You could at least attempt to keep up the appearance of it.

There’s no conflict between James Asheton Bayard, Jr.’s position and that of his son Thomas.

James told us that if a person is a citizen by birth, then he’s a natural born citizen and eligible to be President.

Thomas told us that if a German father WHO IS DOMICILED NOT IN THE UNITED STATES BUT IN GERMANY comes over to the United States and has a child here DURING HIS BRIEF, UNDOMICILED STAY, then that child is not a US citizen.

Now the point is debatable. The Supreme Court in Wong (1898) found that the child born here of DOMICILED alien parents was a natural born US citizen.

And yes, they didn’t spell it out in the final proclamation, but the spelled it out earlier in the core reasoning of the case. The core reasoning of the case is precedent just as much as the final proclamation is.

But they didn’t necessarily specify that children born here of NON-DOMICILED aliens are born US citizens.

That’s how it’s largely been interpreted since then, but I don’t think it’s an essential conclusion of the case.

That being the case, there’s not necessarily any conflict between the views of James Bayard, his son Thomas, and the Supreme Court in Wong.

James Bayard says that if you’re born a citizen, you’re a natural born citizen.

Thomas Bayard says that if you’re born on US soil of an alien parent who’s over here as a temporary tourist, but doesn’t live here, you’re not born a citizen.

And the Supreme Court says that if you’re born on US soil of alien parents who have established their DOMICILE here, who LIVE here, then you ARE a natural born citizen.

All of the above sound reasonable to me.


63 posted on 08/14/2013 5:38:35 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
There’s no conflict between James Asheton Bayard, Jr.’s position and that of his son Thomas.

Oh, I agree about that. Both of them DISAGREE completely with your botched attempt to put false words in the father's mouth.

Thomas told us that if a German father WHO IS DOMICILED NOT IN THE UNITED STATES BUT IN GERMANY comes over to the United States and has a child here DURING HIS BRIEF, UNDOMICILED STAY, then that child is not a US citizen.

Father, temporary resident, has child here. Now who does that remind me of? But it is beside the point. The WORD ACCORDING TO JEFF, is that ANYONE born here is a citizen. ANYONE. Period! 100,000,000 percent! No Exceptions EVER! ALL AUTHORITIES AGREE!! Eleventy!

All of the above sound reasonable to me.

It is rant and nonsense, and it only sounds reasonable to you because you are a crackpot that lies to himself.

66 posted on 08/14/2013 6:05:29 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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