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To: Windflier
I love the old parchment, and believe in those words as much as you do, so you can cut the guilt trip stuff. Unfortunately that's not what's law in this country and unless you're really delusional, you know what I'm saying is true. For instance, you and I don't believe Obamacare is constitutional. Guess what.......it is, it's the law. The court has ruled it is. Eventually you will have to purchase it, or suffer the legal consequences. You and I don't believe a lot of things should be constitutionally allowed, guess what, it's what the court rules that counts, and the court deals with precedent and uses that precedent. We may not like that, but short of a revolution, or the evolution of the court to 6 Scalias, it's the reality in this country. We can bluster all we want about what should be clear, but that doesn't matter in the face of what's real.

The birther stuff may have once had a point, but even that's not certain. There's a ton of arguments and legal scholars, good conservative ones that don't buy the birther crap (see #42 for one of many arguments why Cruz is constitutionally eligible).

Once again, the main point: Bambi has been elected TWICE, he's president, and his father wasn't a US citizen. Heck, his mother wasn't even old enough at the time, yet there he is on air force one. It's precedent. It's done. For anyone to presume Cruz is not a US citizen or eligible to be president is fatuousness and ignorant considering that fact.

For any conservative to think he shouldn't run because of the birther belief is beyond my capacity to consider. The birther belief system is neither the law, nor is it even considered as an ideal from the constitution by most conservative scholars.

Cruz is one of our best candidates, believes in the conservative ideal, loves the US, is across the board perfect in his understanding of what is needed at this point and to consider derailing him over the silly birther nonsense, nonsense which is easily argued against, and frankly beyond argument considering the precedent that has been set is insane.

52 posted on 08/14/2013 4:03:36 PM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE)
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To: Lakeshark
There's a ton of arguments and legal scholars, good conservative ones that don't buy the birther crap (see #42 for one of many arguments why Cruz is constitutionally eligible).

And here is someone citing JEFF'S UTTER BULLSH*T as proof of something.

Let me inform you of something. Jeff is an unmitigated liar. If he says the sun is out, don't believe him. He is absolutely wrong about Bayard, but that doesn't stop him from quoting Bayard as supporting his position. Well here is Bayard's Son REBUKING Jeff's position.

Like I said, Jeff is an obsessed, pathological Liar. This isn't the first time he's been caught in an absolute and demonstrable lie.

Bayard doesn't support Jeff's position at all, but Jeff has been claiming that he does for the past month or so.

Now to address your other points. The courts may be able to piss on your head and tell you it's raining, but I, and probably a lot of others are not going to accept it simply because they say so.

For a long period of History, we have seen the courts make a mockery of our legal system by proclaiming nonsensical, ridiculous things as law. The occasions of such are so numerous that no one who has kept up with them any longer regards the Courts and the legal system as honest or even competent.

The Courts are simply politics by fiat. You appoint the Judges, you get the decisions you want. That there is any longer any sort of intellectual objectivity to it is stark nonsense.

We have been sailing off the charts since Roosevelt and Truman stacked the courts with Liberal kooks for 20 years. It is as a result of this that we got nonsensical decisions like Wickard, Miranda, Roe, Kelo, Lawrence, and the latest cherry on top of this idiocy, Obamacare. (as a TAX, mind you.)

So let me sum it up. About the courts, I do not give a D@mn. They have power, but they don't have truth, and we ought not to grant them the power that comes with respect for their authority.

They act like Clowns and we should regard them as clowns. The system is broken, and it will eventually collapse. We should prepare for the next iteration, if we live long enough.

58 posted on 08/14/2013 5:12:45 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Lakeshark
I love the old parchment, and believe in those words as much as you do, so you can cut the guilt trip stuff. Unfortunately that's not what's law in this country and unless you're really delusional, you know what I'm saying is true.

I'm not trying to "guilt trip" you. If you want to follow the libs down the path of destroying our founding charter, go right ahead.

I don't care how much the left disregards and tramples on our Constitution. They can even write and sign laws that haven't got a tether to it, but I reserve the right to defiantly disagree, and to steadfastly demand a return to the rule of law and a healthy respect for, and adherence to, our Constitution.

Seems to me you're justifying throwing away the fundamental precepts which make us conservatives, Lake. I'd rather stand and face our enemies man to man in a life or death contest, than abandon what I believe in.

64 posted on 08/14/2013 5:40:08 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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