[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

“When men speak of you they speak of scientists and poets!
Burn your books! Make warriors of your poets!
Have your scientists invent new poisons for our arrows!”—Bin Yusef, opening lines to EL CID.

[DManA]

if Allah arbitrarily so commands, tomorrow the sun will not rise - makes it impossible to have a Muslim science.

If that were true then Christians can't do science either since we also believe the Sovereign God can do anything he pleases. Just that most of the time He interacts with this world through His natural laws, the detail of which we can tweeze out via the scientific method.

[himno hero]

I love the argument... if they are soooo smart.... where are their Nobel prizes for hard sciences?

Why is it the mouthy Iranians are trying to recreate weapons the Jews created over 70 years ago?? Better yet? Why are they using JEWISH technologies? Such fools....

[ZULU]

Just look at how technologically deprived Islamic States are. It says it all. Most of them can’t even make their own rifles.

[mjp]

In reality, science and Islam are fundamentally incompatible, which is why, despite the propaganda, there are no Muslim scientists in the history of the Islamic world.

For mohammedans, Allah is not presented as a lawful creator but was conceived of as an extremely active God who intrudes on the world as he deems it appropriate. Consequently,there arose a major theological bloc within mohammedanism that condemned all efforts to formulate natural laws as blasphemy insofar as they denied Allah's freedom to act.

The koran states ""Verily, God will cause to err whom he pleaseth, and will direct whom he pleaseth." If God does as he pleases, and what he pleases is variable, then the universe may not be lawful. Thus, mohammedan theology did not provide the necessary fundamental assumptions for erecting the concept of science based on observations leading to the formulation of natural laws.

[Slyfox]

He also mentions "Muslims who helped unlock the secrets of our universe", whose names he must have been hard pressed to find because he didn't say them.

Around the time the west discovered that all of Aristotle had been translated into Arabic, whereby it had been saved, and the west began to translate Aristotle into Latin thereby pushing the Renaissance into gear - the Islamic leaders decided to sideline their achievements via Aristotle. They stopped any intellectual advance from that point because their mullahs told them to. So, intellectually, Islam is still stuck in the 1200s.

[RansomOttawa]

Muslims did not pioneer anything. All they did was translate intellectual treasures from the original Greek into Arabic and preserve them in the library of Alexandria.

Say what? The Library of Alexandria was established by the Ptolemaic dynasty, who were Greeks, something like 800 years before anyone ever heard of Mohammed and his foolish superstition.

[GOPJ]

In reality, science and Islam are fundamentally incompatible, which is why, despite the propaganda, there are no Muslim scientists in the history of the Islamic world.

Reflected by Islams poor showing in Nobel prizes...