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To: Ravnagora
Is not clear what the purpose of this article is. If the purpose is to assess war guilt against the Austro-Hungarian Empire we ought to have pause.

Most historians agree that the ultimatum served on the Serbians by the Austrians was indeed peremptory and frankly calculated to be unacceptable to the Serbians precipitating a war which the Austrians had long believed was unavoidable. Many historians also believe that the Serbs were complicit in the plot to murder the punitive successor to the Austro-Hungarian Imperial throne.

Imagine the consequences if there were irrefutable proof that the Cubans conspired to murder John F. Kennedy. War would have been inevitable.

I think there is a more important lesson to take from this tragic affair which destroyed the empires of four Imperial Royal families, Habsburg, Romanov, Hohenzollern, and Ottoman. The murder was surely one of the great dramatic turning point in history, marking the end of the old order which had been put together at the Congress of Vienna after the fall of Napoleon Bonaparte, and the beginning of the new age of industrial warfare. The world has never been the same since the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand but he was assassinated for ethnic grievances, whether real or imagined.

One ought to consider the consequences to the world of the enforced admixing of the Austro-Hungarian Empire the next time some left-wing American politician proclaims, "diversity is our strength."

Typically, left-wing politicians, whose wet dream it is to engineer society as though it were contained in a Skinner box, believe against all historical evidence that their superior ideology will achieve the seamless integration of all disparate ethnic, religious and racial tribes. This cosmic arrogance is today causing the ruin and of what is left of the realm of the last surviving Imperial house of 1914, the house of Windsor.

If history can teach us anything, it should give us pause to fear that we cannot be far behind Windsor.


7 posted on 08/06/2013 9:54:37 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
"One ought to consider the consequences to the world of the enforced admixing of the Austro-Hungarian Empire the next time some left-wing American politician proclaims, "diversity is our strength."

Fine observation.

8 posted on 08/06/2013 9:55:48 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: nathanbedford

Thanks for that post!


9 posted on 08/06/2013 10:19:30 AM PDT by spankalib ("I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.")
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To: nathanbedford

Punitive = putative


10 posted on 08/06/2013 10:27:00 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
marking the end of the old order which had been put together at the Congress of Vienna after the fall of Napoleon Bonaparte

As we say farewell to the Greatest Generation WWII vets, no one alive has personal memories of WWI. But it had a profound impact on the world, arguably greater than the impact of WWII. If you want to understand European pacifism and fear of nationalism and misplaced faith in international institutions, study WWI and Europe during the interwar years.

11 posted on 08/06/2013 10:58:29 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: nathanbedford

Progressives err in their belief that human nature is totally malleable.

Human nature always wins in the end...that’s why socialism is a fools game that always plays out very badly.

Normal people like to retain the fruits of their labors and they also like to live among their own sort of people.


14 posted on 08/06/2013 12:03:43 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: nathanbedford; Ravnagora
Imagine the consequences if there were irrefutable proof that the Cubans conspired to murder John F. Kennedy.

A similar scenario might have taken place as follows: the US learns that Manuel Piñeiro Losada, head of Cuba's General Intelligence Directorate (DGI)--its version of the KGB--was, beyond a reasonable doubt, behind the Kennedy assassination. However, Fidel Castro did not sanction the deed and claims to know nothing about any DGI involvement. What would the US do?

15 posted on 08/06/2013 12:52:57 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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